Other than the brake lines, the 3g booster and MC were basically plug and play!

ceedawg said:

Other than the brake lines, the 3g booster and MC were basically plug and play!

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Well the mc is yeah but im doubting the booster is as thats the same as the evo and as ive said many times before the pivot part needed adjusting and if the 3g is the same length then that also means the pedal moves in alot and takes away pedal distance!

Im just starting to get this sorted and im going to make a new pivot adjuster so i can get back my 5mm ive lost in travel, easily done and no biggie to do. Fab skills to the rescue haha

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Well the mc is yeah but im doubting the booster is as thats the same as the evo and as ive said many times before the pivot part needed adjusting and if the 3g is the same length then that also means the pedal moves in alot and takes away pedal distance!

Im just starting to get this sorted and im going to make a new pivot adjuster so i can get back my 5mm ive lost in travel, easily done and no biggie to do. Fab skills to the rescue haha

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I don't know what to tell you other than I had no issues same as many others who have installed the booster but make it work however you can and let us know how you make out.

Did some digging and couldn't find the answer...I have a 1G that originally had the single piston front caliper and am upgrading to the Brembo set up from the Evo 8/9. Bought these StopTech rotors from Amazon: Power Slot 126.46064SL Slotted Brake Rotor. Went to put them on the hub and found that the rotors don't have the holes for the two 10mm bolts that hold the ABS ring to the hub. Is this a common situation or do other brand's rotors have the additional holes for the ABS ring mounting bolts? (BTW...I am not interested in discussing whether to keep or trash the ABS at this point - just trying to learn from others.) Thank you all!

After looking at bunches of pictures and never seeing a rotor with holes for the 10mm bolts holding the ABS ring on, I determined/decided that they don't exist. So then I decided to buy a pack of these to use in place of the 10mm bolts. That meant that I needed this to counter sink the existing holes in the hub for the stock bolts to allow the rotor to sit flat against the hub.

It appears to have worked well. On one side I thought I was done, but I needed to countersink a little deeper than I had previously because the rotor was not sitting flat (as I rotated the rotor, I could see it wobbling between the Brembo caliper). After countersinking deeper, the rotor sat flat.

Here are the pictures of the job. (Because I don't know how to post pictures otherwise.)

Went through 80% of thread I am dismayed as to how very little is mentioned about the after-installation performance comparison of these brakes!
Anybody cares to express their experience - on performance? Comparing what you had before, and whether it was worthwhile the effort (beside the look of Brembo caliper on an Eclipse)?

Thanks

Planckscale said:

Went through 80% of thread I am dismayed as to how very little is mentioned about the after-installation performance comparison of these brakes!
Anybody cares to express their experience - on performance? Comparing what you had before, and whether it was worthwhile the effort (beside the look of Brembo caliper on an Eclipse)?

Thanks

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In regard to performance, what are you looking to get out of the brakes? What conditions do you plan on using them?

Just the general perception has to how these brakes perform on a typical dsm...
Do people feel a significant improvement on their stopping ability comparing to the OEM ones?
What about the rotational mass? Has anyone feel their car being sluggish after this mod?

Thanks

Planckscale said:

Just the general perception has to how these brakes perform on a typical dsm...
Do people feel a significant improvement on their stopping ability comparing to the OEM ones?
What about the rotational mass? Has anyone feel their car being sluggish after this mod?

Thanks

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After I did them, they were a bit spongy until I did the 3G master and booster. Also have the STM ABS delete kit. Pedal feels great. Been using them on the road course. They do great. As for street driving, stopping is great. Definitely doesn't feel sluggish or anything like that. Slowing from 125+ to 70 at NJMP isn't an issue

Planckscale said:

Went through 80% of thread I am dismayed as to how very little is mentioned about the after-installation performance comparison of these brakes!
Anybody cares to express their experience - on performance? Comparing what you had before, and whether it was worthwhile the effort (beside the look of Brembo caliper on an Eclipse)?

Thanks

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What about the rotational mass? Has anyone feel their car being sluggish after this mod?


Thanks

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Consider this: perhaps the reason so many did the upgrade was due to the already known stopping power of the brembos.

And the answer you sought may have been past the 80% mark.


But as a member of this beloved site; im more than happy to share.....Again.

My does not feel sluggish, or squishy.
It stops not only with great strength , but also with great balance; in contrast to oem and other vehicles.

I don't think the people doing the upgrade, do so to "look cool", its because when you start to go fast, you need brake.........**fast**

Example: today street tuning i have a set distance i can travel per pull and i must brake in time to pull over in the allotted areas, the breaks make it possible for me to do so, with out i don't believe i could.

X axis ---------------X1-----------------80mph-------------------x2--------------------
My domain is (x1,x2)

Well from my experiance I think it's very front bias, Even with 1521 carbotech Street pads the front's pinch alot more then the rears and for this reason thats why I have decided to run dual masters for bias control which I shall be installing this summer,

I could use my XP8 pads in the rear to perhaps even it out but there is no point.

They do stop better version factory and they handle the weight of the car alot better, the think the 256mm fwd brakes are actually dangerous and too small for the car and powerful it comes with stock. So for the feel and what you gain over stock yes it's well worth it, even a basic setup is not cheap cheap but for what we call a BBK it's a great price for the whole package

Planckscale said:

Just the general perception has to how these brakes perform on a typical dsm...
Do people feel a significant improvement on their stopping ability comparing to the OEM ones?
What about the rotational mass? Has anyone feel their car being sluggish after this mod?

Thanks

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I'm not typical, but my experience may still be relevant but you must be the judge for yourself.

When my car was a street car and I moved from OEM brakes to Stoptech 328mm front brakes there was a very noticeable difference in braking power. This would be similar to what you get with an Evo 8/9 brake setup. I loved it. My street pad compound didn't change, so this really was just the front brakes alone changing.

Move to a few years ago. Now my car's a full blown race car with the best pads available (in my opinion). I pretty much out brake everything, even the vastly lighter cars on track. I was still on the Stoptechs, but the thermal mass wasn't enough and I was cracking rotors every weekend. Thanks to ec17pse (buy your Galant knuckles from him, he's awesome) I moved to Evo X front brakes solely for increased thermal mass, expecting nothing to very little from the larger diameter rotors (roughly 350mm). I shit you not, same brake pads and everything, the brakes went from really good to feeling like I threw an anchor outside the car. It was f'ing awesome. Just... amazing. I could not believe they were that good. I still can't believe they're that good at their price point.

Take those anecdotes for what you will. Do I think they make a big difference even to your average dsm? Absofinglutely.

TSiAWD666 said:

I'm not typical, but my experience may still be relevant but you must be the judge for yourself.

When my car was a street car and I moved from OEM brakes to Stoptech 328mm front brakes there was a very noticeable difference in braking power. This would be similar to what you get with an Evo 8/9 brake setup. I loved it. My street pad compound didn't change, so this really was just the front brakes alone changing.

Move to a few years ago. Now my car's a full blown race car with the best pads available (in my opinion). I pretty much out brake everything, even the vastly lighter cars on track. I was still on the Stoptechs, but the thermal mass wasn't enough and I was cracking rotors every weekend. Thanks to ec17pse (buy your Galant knuckles from him, he's awesome) I moved to Evo X front brakes solely for increased thermal mass, expecting nothing to very little from the larger diameter rotors (roughly 350mm). I sh** you not, same brake pads and everything, the brakes went from really good to feeling like I threw an anchor outside the car. It was f'ing awesome. Just... amazing. I could not believe they were that good. I still can't believe they're that good at their price point.

Take those anecdotes for what you will. Do I think they make a big difference even to your average dsm? Absofinglutely.

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That's 1 way to say it's a great upgrade haha

Planckscale said:

Just the general perception has to how these brakes perform on a typical dsm...
Do people feel a significant improvement on their stopping ability comparing to the OEM ones?
What about the rotational mass? Has anyone feel their car being sluggish after this mod?

Thanks

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To me the OEM setup, especially AWD, is undersized for the weight of the car. The significant improvement comes when you have the right pad/rotor paired with the Brembo setup (calipers, lines, booster/MC). With stopping ability, it will down to mostly pad choice, but the additional clamping force certainly helps. Cheap pads on a Brembo setup will not improve the stopping ability over the OEM DSM brake setup with quality pads. In addition to the feedback above, the Evo Brembo setup has a huge variety of choices when it come to pads and rotors to suit the operating climate of your car. If you were concerned with the additional roatational mass, you can go to a two-piece rotor setup with no modifications running the Brembo setup. Also, there are some great rebuild options should you need to abuse them. Racing Brakes makes a SS vented piston and high-temp dust boost for the Brembos in an effort to reduce heat transfer to the fluid. There are also multiple companies that make titanium shims/backing plates as well. I had to replace the dust boosts every other track day due to heat using the OEM calipers.

2gmitsueclipse said:

To me the OEM setup, especially AWD, is undersized for the weight of the car. The significant improvement comes when you have the right pad/rotor paired with the Brembo setup (calipers, lines, booster/MC). With stopping ability, it will down to mostly pad choice, but the additional clamping force certainly helps. Cheap pads on a Brembo setup will not improve the stopping ability over the OEM DSM brake setup with quality pads. In addition to the feedback above, the Evo Brembo setup has a huge variety of choices when it come to pads and rotors to suit the operating climate of your car. If you were concerned with the additional roatational mass, you can go to a two-piece rotor setup with no modifications running the Brembo setup. Also, there are some great rebuild options should you need to abuse them. Racing Brakes makes a SS vented piston and high-temp dust boost for the Brambos in an effort to reduce heat transfer to the fluid. There are also multiple companies that make titanium shims/backing plates as well. I had to replace the dust boosts every other track day due to heat.

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I doubt many or anyone will pay for the SS pistons upgrade , the seals are great but hate brake fluid . You using RB's pistons and seals aswell?

Pad choice is certainly a balancing act, I wish we had 1 setup for the daily guys that can put them in and be happy with the front to rear bias! The racers are different so hard to select for them, we should do a pad choice for review

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I doubt many or anyone will pay for the SS pistons upgrade , the seals are great but hate brake fluid . You using RB's pistons and seals aswell?

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Coming from a guy that runs this himself!

Yes I have them, just waiting until I need a rebuild. Unfortunately, the setup is not going to a DSM.

2gmitsueclipse said:

Coming from a guy that runs this himself!

Yes I have them, just waiting until I need a rebuild. Unfortunately, the setup is not going to a DSM.

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I'm different I love to buy the small detailed things to make it special haha. I ment it as in the others on here most likely won't pay for them even though they are well worth it.

What's it going on then? Spill the beans, can you do me a favor, as I forgot to weigh mine can you weigh the different sizes if they are Evo sized or close to it please,

ec17pse said:

What's it going on then? Spill the beans, can you do me a favor, as I forgot to weigh mine can you weigh the different sizes if they are Evo sized or close to it please,

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Pm'd. I don't want to stray off topic.

This one page has soooooo much information on why one should go this route. Thanks so much guys.

I currently have the old/discontinued AEM big brake kit for the front with stock calipers and Axxis semi metallic pads all around. But now I am highly considering the Evo calipers and probably the one from Evo X. I have had this car for 18 years now so probably it will be a good idea to upgrade to the 3g master cylinder and the brake boost as well.

We need a thread on which "light weight" rotors and pad combo is the best for these brakes...

Planckscale said:

This one page has soooooo much information on why one should go this route. Thanks so much guys.

I currently have the old/discontinued AEM big brake kit for the front with stock calipers and Axxis semi metallic pads all around. But now I am highly considering the Evo calipers and probably the one from Evo X. I have had this car for 18 years now so probably it will be a good idea to upgrade to the 3g master cylinder and the brake boost as well.

We need a thread on which "light weight" rotors and pad combo is the best for these brakes...

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Evo X uses bigger bolts so which ever way you go make sure the bolt holes are big enough,

Most are around the 8/9kg area on 2 piece rotors unless you got carbon ceramic and then your talking a few kg's.

Pad choice is hard as not all pads work for each person, some hate certain pads and I know I do have a preference, ever since in have gone to carbotech I won't change! I'm only at the lower end of the pad choice but because will move up when the time comes,

We can help choose a pad but cannot say that's the 1 as you may hate our choices for you.

I also went from the discontinued AEM big rotor kits to the Evo 8/9 setup. I used Eradispeed 2-pce rotors on the street car to mitigate the rotational mass issue. The results obviously depend on your pad choice, but it is pretty hard to find a pad that will give you no better brakes than OEM.

Solid rear rotor 2Gs have way more rear bias than the original vented rotor 2Gs, so that will affect your pad choice significantly. If you own a 94-build vented rotor 2G you will find a noticeable increase in front bias, whereas if you you start with a later solid rear rotor 2G, you will see an increase in rear bias. Your pad selection will need to take this into account - there isn't an OEM bias valve that will fix this for you.

ACM, thanks. That really hit home, though the Eradispeed rotors are very expensive .
If the X rotors have different bolts then I will just stick to 8/9 Evos. Unless the X are way better...

TSiAWD666 said:

I'm not typical, but my experience may still be relevant but you must be the judge for yourself.

When my car was a street car and I moved from OEM brakes to Stoptech 328mm front brakes there was a very noticeable difference in braking power. This would be similar to what you get with an Evo 8/9 brake setup. I loved it. My street pad compound didn't change, so this really was just the front brakes alone changing.

Move to a few years ago. Now my car's a full blown race car with the best pads available (in my opinion). I pretty much out brake everything, even the vastly lighter cars on track. I was still on the Stoptechs, but the thermal mass wasn't enough and I was cracking rotors every weekend. Thanks to ec17pse (buy your Galant knuckles from him, he's awesome) I moved to Evo X front brakes solely for increased thermal mass, expecting nothing to very little from the larger diameter rotors (roughly 350mm).

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Thanks for this info. I'm sure those 350mm rotors make a huge difference. I have the Stoptech setup but now Im intrigued with what you are saying about the Evo X setup. And you guys are recommending the Carbo tech pads if that's what they are called correct? (Roadracing full iterior)

ceedawg said:

Thanks for this info. I'm sure those 350mm rotors make a huge difference. I have the Stoptech setup but now Im intrigued with what you are saying about the Evo X setup. And you guys are recommending the Carbo tech pads if that's what they are called correct? (Roadracing full iterior)

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I have full interior (at the moment) when I had my xp10 and xp8 pads it stops sharp! As you most likely have read before I find it was too front bias, but the pads do work amazingly well! Once I get my pedals in I will have full control over the bias, if I cannot then I will run xp10 front and rear.

Carbotech pads are amazing, this is all I recommend now and by far better the. All the ebc and hawk pads I've ever used. Just the cost of the pads are a little high but well worth the cost!

ceedawg said:

And you guys are recommending the Carbo tech pads if that's what they are called correct? (Roadracing full iterior)

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They are well worth the money.

www.ctbrakes.com (site is down at the moment)

Feel free to give them a call. They are more than happy to make suggestions to suit your needs. I have found that It takes some experimenting to get the pad mix that best fits you as I run different pads front and rear to adjust bias to some degree. Beyond driving style, your tire choice should play a role in pad selection. I believe ec17pse is still on street tires like myself for the moment.

I currently run XP10's in front, XP8's in the rear for track days. For all else, I run AX-6 front and rear.