I haven't made it to the shootout yet either, but I am a huge GTR fan. When the time comes and money permits, (no offence) but I'm selling my eclipse for a R33. My next daily car is going to be a WRX and my first was a Civic, and my Grandpa passed an all original 1965 Stingray to me. I am a huge car enthusiast, if it goes fast...I like it. (The civic did not go fast...I needed a runway to get it to 115...) Anyone hyped about the new Supra?

My point is ALL cars are awesome. We (the dsm community) treat the shootout as OUR dsm exclusive event, but it is Buschur's event. They want to see all of the cars that they built/tuned run.

^^^ I actually want a R33 too. I won't sell my spyder though. I want both

donniekak said:

Because if the shops that cater to dsm's don't have another platform to pay their bills, they'll go under and no one will make parts for these cars. Try running a multi million dollar shop on the backs of cheap ass dsmers.

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To this I would agree.
This event is all about Buschur. (I mean they made the event so why wouldnt it be.)
But my point being, whatever cars buschur decides to support is what we will see at this event. The shootout is no longer a "dsm" shootout. Did anyone even see Dave run a dsm? Because I didnt. Unless I was oblivious to it.
Speaking of, it would be a perfect time for someone to make a true dsm shootout and pull the true community out for it. But thats just my opinion.
Moving on, I dont believe I will be attending in the future years. No point, and Im sick of seeing Dave reboot his computer at the line in his GTR. Darn technology these days. (Words taken from the Commentator)

ohlegend said:

Anyone hyped about the new Supra?

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It looks like A brz and a gtr had a kid. Maybe a 370x was in there as well. Those taillights make me puke.

bkrathwohl said:

And what exactly is wrong with the Subaru crowd? I'll be honest, i'd much rather watch some dsms/evos and subarus go head to head than some GTRs going fast down the track. There is an immense rivalry between Mitsubishi and Subaru that is fantastic for car enthusiasts.

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The immense rivalry could very quickly turn violent. I've seen it at local shows, some die hard evo guy getting in a shoving match with a subaru guy. Don't misunderstand me, that exists almost anywhere but it is painfully prevalent in the DSM/Subaru world. If people could keep it mature and leave it to the cars to do the racing then I'd LOVE to go watch and enjoy the scene and the cars, but you and I both know that it is NOT how it would happen if you stuck DSM/Evo owners on the same track with Subaru owners for a weekend.

I love Subaru's and don't have an issue with them or most of their owners. But for every crowd there is going to be "that" guy, on both sides. That embarrasses both parties immensely.

Most dsm'ers start out as kids w/out 2 nickels to rub together and just basic knowledge. That is why this platform is dying. Most of the time, take myself for example(and surely others), we get in a very good spot in our mid 30s and then? The passion for these cars starts to wane. I had no problem during the last(and final) build doling out over 10k. Didn't hesitate. But what i found was that by the time i was still interested and had the resources to pump money into this, the main suppliers are starting to drop it. A slight reason why i went with an A/T, btw. Durability and parts availability in the future.

What would YOU do? Or anyone for that matter! If you have 50 to 115k to drop on a GTR, are you gonna even hesitate to pay a reputable shop 10 to 20k for proper mods? No, you're not. You win, they win. They are like any other business and can't pay the bills with hopes and dreams hahaha, a bit sarcastic but you get the jist of what i'm saying.

Never been to a shootout though. I think i might like to go one day. I've got so much wrapped up into my dsm that she'll be around for a very long time. Might have to head out there if it's still going on next year or something. Mini vacation with the wife.

bastarddsm said:

I think that more dsm's might show up to race if there was a class to race. SE/S32/Q32 are too close together, with needing to run 9's to win SE basically, its not much fun to show up with a car that runs 11's and try to race.
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I agree 100%. I'd sooner see actual driven street cars race...
I raced in Max effort. But there was no sense racing in any other class.

Even Max effort was slightly silly, if you rock 5 seconds faster around the cones then every one else(much easier feat) then you basically win Max Effort without even trying at drag racing.

I drove 450+km for the past 5 years, raced, and drove home. (that is a competition all by itself)
Competing against guys that are doing the same sort of thing would be super fun in my mind, and I think would bring out a much bigger crowd.

And to the OP, I honestly don't mind the GTR's they have their own class that doesn't really take over the event...... yet.

If you want a true purest Mitsubishi "Shootout" type event, go convince Mitsubishi to move MOD to a race track. The chances of that happening (albeit terribly unlikely) are still exponentially greater than convincing Buschur of taking his shop and business model 20 years back in time. Thinking any sane person would agree to that for the sake of "keeping it real" is actually insane if you think about it.

Alternatively, any one of us is able to start our own DSM Shootout...So there's that.

Personally, I'd avoid the trouble altogether and just deal with sitting through a few 9 second GT-R passes. It's really not that horrible to watch

the first year i was gonna go...iirc 2011 for me...i had the best western booked. i took off for it. then i heard GT-R's were gonna be there.

i cancelled my room and i never went since. quite honestly, i wanted to be immersed in a world of mitsu's. buschur sold out, and i dont care to see nissans at an exclusive mitsu powered meet. sorry.

and the amount of FLACK i get for not being a GT-R doppleganger is nuts. either have the dsm/evo shootout and then a GTR one, or let the dsm one die honorably....but dont muddy the water with bs we dont really care about. hell...might as well let vettes into the All-Ford nationals.

i agree with the OP 100%.

Lol half the people bitching about gtrs didn't even go nor race .

Yeah it kinda sucks, it really seems like the gtrs get all the attention now. But at least it still goes on butcher could just as easily dump the DSM/evo part. Hell if it was just DSM,there wouldn't be enough cars to race.

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Lol half the people bitching about gtrs didn't even go nor race .

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Lol and the guys that did actually race, don't seem to mind the GTR's.

HaveBlue83 said:

the first year i was gonna go...iirc 2011 for me...i had the best western booked. i took off for it. then i heard GT-R's were gonna be there.

i cancelled my room and i never went since. quite honestly, i wanted to be immersed in a world of mitsu's. buschur sold out, and i dont care to see nissans at an exclusive mitsu powered meet. sorry.

and the amount of FLACK i get for not being a GT-R doppleganger is nuts. either have the dsm/evo shootout and then a GTR one, or let the dsm one die honorably....but dont muddy the water with bs we dont really care about. hell...might as well let vettes into the All-Ford nationals.

i agree with the OP 100%.

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Like another person said, it's not a Mitsubishi event. It's Buschur's event. They can invite what they want. Hell, bring on all the nice cars if you ask me.

Vegas smith said:

Like another person said, it's not a Mitsubishi event. It's Buschur's event. They can invite what they want. Hell, bring on all the nice cars if you ask me.

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Agreed. I think its a great event and i'm OK with inviting other platforms as well, as long as its tasteful and doesn't turn into the shit shows I see here in NJ.

I've never once had a thought like this and I've been going since 2004. It's evolution of the sport and quite frankly I get as excited about seeing T1, ETS, AMS, or anyone else chasing the GTR record as I do seeing Devin, Jeff Bush, Kevin Kiggly, Aaron Gregory, or any other fast DSM guys. If you enjoy racing and you appreciate the general handicaps that relatively small displacement racers deal with, the Shootout is a phenomenal event. Not to mention, you can walk up and talk to any of these guys and unless their having a horribly shitty day, they'll shoot the shit with you for as long as you can stand. It's truly a unique event and if you're short sighted enough to dismiss it because it doesn't exclusively cater to a dying (pretty much every oem part is obsolete and no one is stepping up to reproduce) 90's Mitsubishi sports coupe, you should probably stay at home anyway.

What happened to being resourceful with what you have, can get or make vs how much $$$ you have to waste. Real racing started with what was lying around or what you and friends could do with little to NO $$ and have fun. It's a D#%k swinging contest of who's wallets bigger now, it's sickening. Some of us don't go there to be the next John force, Shepherd or whoever.

"Auto racing began 5 minutes after the second car was built" Henry Ford

What happened to pretty equal cars and having it come down to driver. Mono E mono
To me there is no greater feeling than beating somebody that has a car equal to yours and you flat out,out drove them because you were a better driver vs how big my D#%k Wallet is!

I just want to say I have been going since 2009 and I have seen a little change besides the growth in size. One thing I have noticed, besides racers getting older and migrating to a bigger platform, are that DSMs are getting fewer most likely do to age and abuse. The cars that compete at the Shootout are mainly shop cars; they have the funds and resources to compete with the big boys as they are pushing the limits. That makes it harder for grass roots guys, and gals, to have a chance to really compete. I have been tossing around this idea of having a couple of DSM FWD classes. I always see these FWD cars going for cheap because everyone wants the beloved AWD. What if we can put some of these cars to better use? Maybe have a FWD 16g turbo class and an "anything goes" class for some others who want to go all out. I just think this could be a great idea to get more racers involved. I'd probably even do it. I'm sure I could get something race-worthy in a 16g platform for like $5-6k.

I wished everyone migrated to Florida once a year, for a shoot out. Most people like the idea of skimpy bikini beach blonds , water sports, fun In the sun ect......

Don't see the appeal of a no- were location with little to offer. Besides the actual event.

^ I don't get too see any dsm related events in FL, even though there car events of all calibers several times/places a year.

MJBean420 said:

I just want to say I have been going since 2009 and I have seen a little change besides the growth in size. One thing I have noticed, besides racers getting older and migrating to a bigger platform, are that DSMs are getting fewer most likely do to age and abuse. The cars that compete at the Shootout are mainly shop cars; they have the funds and resources to compete with the big boys as they are pushing the limits. That makes it harder for grass roots guys, and gals, to have a chance to really compete. I have been tossing around this idea of having a couple of DSM FWD classes. I always see these FWD cars going for cheap because everyone wants the beloved AWD. What if we can put some of these cars to better use? Maybe have a FWD 16g turbo class and an "anything goes" class for some others who want to go all out. I just think this could be a great idea to get more racers involved. I'd probably even do it. I'm sure I could get something race-worthy in a 16g platform for like $5-6k.

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^+1. Well put. Diversity with the FWD class is one more way to keep them around instead of parts cars or wasting away because they are fwd

I think some classes would be great, and that ppl need to suck it up over the gtr thing. It is buschurs event and he calls the shots. Its not like they say "only" these cars can come, that's just the focus.
Id like to go next year, and i want my buddy to bring his 600whp 01 lightning. Im more about the environment than the hardcore dsm stuff. I just know there would be more there than any other event, save mod maybe.

bastarddsm said:

Lol half the people bitching about gtrs didn't even go nor race .

Yeah it kinda sucks, it really seems like the gtrs get all the attention now. But at least it still goes on butcher could just as easily dump the DSM/evo part. Hell if it was just DSM,there wouldn't be enough cars to race.

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I 75% disagree with this comment.
The people that are bitching are people who think its dumb as hell to change the event to cater to buschur. Buschur should have just made another event rather then forgetting their original base. Them not doing so made these people who are bitching, not go. Which in turn makes the community look even smaller and smaller. If they think the community is too small, then please dump the DSMs.

The 25% I agree on is Buschur dumping DSMs. They would be doing us a favor as they have sold out to the GTR world. Why would I support a vendor that doesnt even race a DSM anymore? To me that is pointless. Why? Because they have all the knowledge? No, because other companies/people out there have the same knowledge. Why should I support someone who doesnt even race the car I drive? Enough said.

livedsm4g63 said:

I 75% disagree with this comment.
The people that are bitching are people who think its dumb as hell to change the event to cater to buschur. Buschur should have just made another event rather then forgetting their original base. Them not doing so made these people who are bitching, not go. Which in turn makes the community look even smaller and smaller. If they think the community is too small, then please dump the DSMs.

The 25% I agree on is Buschur dumping DSMs. They would be doing us a favor as they have sold out to the GTR world. Why would I support a vendor that doesnt even race a DSM anymore? To me that is pointless. Why? Because they have all the knowledge? No, because other companies/people out there have the same knowledge. Why should I support someone who doesnt even race the car I drive? Enough said.

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Agree 1000%

You guys are free to start your own shootout.... It would be cool to have more than one a year.

So, people should keep their first job even though the pay has gone down to minimum wage? It's about loyalty right?

That's right, the Shootout is all about the $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$

I doubt he's hurting, so yeah loyalty does matter. Where were all the other brands(gtr'sand etc)when he started his business?????? Plus, he doesn't ever drive a dsm anymore,what's up with that?? Selling out for the $. FIGURES, $$$$ is what's most important in life!

donniekak said:

So, people should keep their first job even though the pay has gone down to minimum wage? It's about loyalty right?

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You act as if we are dumb so please stop being so ignorant.

Yes there is better money elsewhere.
Yes they can do what they choose to do
Yes they can stop driving dsms
Yes they can stop making parts for dsms

My point is, if they do any of the above, why would a dsm person support them. And if thats the case, why would any dsms even go to the shootout?
Did I make it clear for you?