Hello Fellow DSM/EVO enthusiast.

Have you ever been to a "DSM/EVO" Shootout and here the person next to you ask..."So when is the next GTR running"? I may have heard this every year since shops started to make parts for the GTR. To me it begs the question, isnt this the "DSM/EVO" Shootout? I understand there are other cars and those other cars can be fast however I believe companies are hoping on the GTR band wagon and forgetting about what event we are at and how it was founded. DSMs and EVOs. For the life of me I cant remeber there being GTR classes when this was first rolled out.

I feel like an overhaul is needed. I could care less to see a 7 second GTRs when Im at a shootout geared towards DSMs and EVOs. Also, just because everyone is doing it doesnt mean the vendors have to push this crap on us. I would rather see a 12 second dsm then a 7 second GTR - AT THE DSM/EVO SHOOTOUT.

I think the event is losing its basis and it needs an overhaul. Someone want to tell the bushurs about this so they can get all pissy someone doesnt like a GTR? That would be great, thanks.

I feel like your just digging for trolls. But I'll give you my honest opinion on the matter.. Go to Jacks transmissions website. Then go to to Sheps. then anyone else who supported DSMs in the beginning. They all used to support DSMs and most still do, the big difference is that shops have to go where the MONEY is. I don't begrudge anyone that is willing to support different platforms to further their business and financial future, whether you like it or not.

Because it is hosted by Buschur Racing which Builds DSM/EVO/GTRs.

To add to the comment above, Mitsubishi doesn't even make an evo anymore. They have to allow other cars and since the GTR is the next best thing and it creates money I'm all for it. Evo's are becoming a DSM in regards to parts, used cars etc. DSM's are becoming less and less and the parts are becoming non existent. I can't even buy bilstein shocks for a 1g anymore because they discontinued them. Honestly I would stop crying and just be glad he is still hosting it and allowing DSM's to participate. Yes it started with DSM's but Mitsubishi suck balls now so time to move on.

Eric

Unfortunately, GTRs bring in revenue for shops that would probably be closed if they only served DSMers. Literally every event and sport has some type of sponsor because we have to compromise when it comes down to paying the bills. Nothing in life is ever perfectly like we want it. If I want to go watch a football game I have sit through ads every 5 minutes because that's how television stays in business.

I don't think OP was saying that these companies need to only support dsm's. I think he was more saying that there should be a bigger footprint of dsm's and evo's at the dsm shootout. This year wasn't all that entertaining for me, my personal opinion.

Also, saying these vendors need to "go where the money is" seems ignorant. Isn't the appeal of a dsm or evo that you can have a cheap car that can go fast? Correct me if i'm wrong, but I don't think i've seen the GTR market come down to 10-20k in recent years. I'm not sure most of the dsm community could even afford to have one, let alone pay insurance on one.

That being said, I do understand that neither of these platforms is made anymore... well after the final final final edition evo x at least. I only see dsm's at these events dwindling more and more in the future. Maybe it'll be the GTR shootout next year! I guess i'll have to start going to the Subaru Shootout instead.

If more people owned DSMs then more DSMers would go to the Shootout. It's just math. Also, if you are selling GTR parts and services of course you want to invite GTRs to a big event so that you can develop your GTR client base. "Hey come spend 20k on your GTR and bring it to our shop event "The Shootout"!

I think that more dsm's might show up to race if there was a class to race. SE/S32/Q32 are too close together, with needing to run 9's to win SE basically, its not much fun to show up with a car that runs 11's and try to race.

As much as I hate index and bracket racing, maybe a 10.0 or 10.50 index would be better than SE.

Personally I'd like the shootout rules to be more like IFO rules.

I will say, it probably would have been a LOT more enjoyable without that terrible commentator. You could tell he didn't give a crap about anything but the GTRs...or know much of anything about anything.

I'm thankful Dave still lets DSMs into the shootout. It is almost inevitable that eventually it will become the EVO/GTR shootout or just the GTR shootout.

bkrathwohl said:

I will say, it probably would have been a LOT more enjoyable without that terrible commentator. You could tell he didn't give a crap about anything but the GTRs...or know much of anything about anything.

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Absolutely 100% that guy was a f***. I was at Street Car Take Over - Stlouis, and it was just like that. Commentator didn't care unless it was a pro-charged LS powered.

We need some real enthusiast to be the commentators. Seriously. Can we like appoint someone? Maybe everyone start calling butcher, and demanding it?

I understand each of your views and they are all valid. Im more or less venting, call me ignorant but everyone is going away from these cars. This event started out as 4g63 and has evolved into other things, be they good or bad. I really dont consider it a DSM shootout anymore and that saddens me. You can even see that in the name change from around 2012ish. (Its merely called the shootout now.)

As stated, this year was a let down. But again, we are all granted our opinion and here is mine. The dsm community is dying and business is business. As much as you want to hate aftermarket companies to push 50-100k cars, they should realize they are losing the community they started. You know, those people who made them what they are today.

And yes that commentator was one of the worst people Ive ever had to listen to.

So why do they call it a dsm shootout? Gtr isn't a dsm or any derivative there of. I get where OP is coming from. I understand that $ makes the world go 'round but some of us want an ALL DSM EVENT! If it's $ they are after then why are they not adding boosted domestic cars, trucks,etc. to there parts market? I'm mean what's next,s13's,s14's, skylines, s2k's and so forth will be allowed?! Get real!!!

I don't go to the track often, but I would say the commentator every time I go to a track is a total douchebag the flaunts biS ignorance. As for gtr at the shootout, I get it. Most of us will never be able to afford a gtr so they really have no relevance to us. I can't blame shops for catering to them though. Far more money as they are higher end cars with rich owners, compared to us DSMers with small paychecks and 20yr old rust buckets. I want to come back to the shootout again, but based on my reading of this year's events...I dunno if I am motivated enough to make the 1100mi trip.

I like the GT-R's being there....it's brought in a lot of fast cars and outside media/vendor attention that the event has definitely never had in the past.

The GT-R's are all in their own classes so any DSM or Evo owner should never meet one in competition. With the amount of participating DSM's dwindling annually, unfortunately the event had to expand a bit to keep progressing forward. At least they didn't expand into Subarus- nobody wants those hunks of garbage there.

I don't see how bringing in other makes of cars(GTR)helps the dsm community? If the vendors aren't doing much for our cars because they are 20 years old then why on earth do I care about media/ vendor attention to them. If the car world thought that way then there wouldn't be a market for classic cars and parts!

Dstarperformance01 said:

I don't see how bringing in other makes of cars(GTR)helps the dsm community? If the vendors aren't doing much for our cars because they are 20 years old then why on earth do I care about media/ vendor attention to them. If the car world thought that way then there wouldn't be a market for classic cars and parts!

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Because there is still a turnout, Justin is right, AT LEAST they didn't combine it into the subaru crowd, and so are some of the other guys on here. I understand where they are coming from at the business end of things, do you have any idea the amount of money it takes to hold an event like that? There has to be some sort of takeaway, as much as Dave likes DSMs he also like's paying his bills. I say let the GTRs in. I'd rather have GTRs there then there be no shootout at all, and from what I've read about this year if the community doesn't straighten itself up there WON'T be very many more.

And there should be other classes Bastard, unfortunately I don't know a whole lot about it but I for one would like a street car/stock appearing class to run in, I know with Bucci himself at the wheel my car might, MIGHT do 11s but I don't want to drive my GSX all the way out there to compete against guys who are running 9 second street cars with 40+psi.. I wanna run against fellow DSMers that are still running 14b/16g/20g variants. I'd rather drive an hour away and race in the street/test and tune if I'm gonna get my butt kicked that badly.

Could you imagine how many fights would break out if the Subaru crowd was merged with us ? They would have to stay in seperate hotels haha.

I get what the OP is saying, it sucks that the DSM/EVO are overshadowed by the GTR but it is what it is. Mitsubishi started our following by creating affordable, attractive turbo charged 4 cylinder cars and selling tons of them. Afer parting ways from Dodge, I feel their quality of sports car went up with the EVO but so did the price tag which means less were produced. Now they don't even offer a turbo charged sports car in any quality.

If you want to blame anyone blame Mitsubishi for not giving us another affordable sports car besides a 45k$ Evo. Also blame them for running themselves into the ground as a automotive manufacturer as a whole.

IMO they should of made something to compete with the BRZ/FRZ. I see them everywhere, WHY? Because at 25k$ you can own a brand new rwd sports car thats slow as balls with 2 popular names behind them. There is no reason Mitsubishi couldn't of made a 4 cylinder turbo car to compete agaisnt that price range. Drop the shittyy eclipse styling they made after the 3rd gen and slap a turbo and some awd back on it or engineer something different all together. If they offered something turbo awd,rwd, hell even fwd with a beefy enough trans and engine I would of bought one new.

My point is they stopped giving us sports cars to keep our event going and start making stupid little ECO cars in Japan. So the big guys in the game had to choose a car to keep us going and they chose something awd turbo that wasnt' a Subaru.

Dstarperformance01 said:

I don't see how bringing in other makes of cars(GTR)helps the dsm community? If the vendors aren't doing much for our cars because they are 20 years old then why on earth do I care about media/ vendor attention to them. If the car world thought that way then there wouldn't be a market for classic cars and parts!

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Because if the shops that cater to dsm's don't have another platform to pay their bills, they'll go under and no one will make parts for these cars. Try running a multi million dollar shop on the backs of cheap ass dsmers.

I think plenty of people still own dsms. Theres also a lot of us that would be competitive at the shootout, but havnt wanted to make the journey. Ive always wanted to go to meet everyone and race but theres also risk involved in the trip there, and the trip back. Or breaking at the event and figurIng out the 1000+ mile trip home. I'll probably make it some day and i honestly dont care what the event is called as long as theres 4g63 cars and classes that only allow 4g63 cars, I'll always be Interested in some extent.

I loved the announcer. Added some humor to it. He admitted he didn't know much about the cars, did enough homework to be dangerous and could make fun of himself also. Good fun.

I broke at the event. I put a new trans in in the pits, and drove 2,500 miles back to Arizona.

Unless you wreck, or catch on fire there isn't anything on these cars that can't be fixed in a day.

There are many of us, who can't go.
Every year it's the same date, the day before the fall semester....

I believe there's an even more important issue, the surviving dsm's are somehow ending up in the hands of horrible, belligerent, babies who require their hands held at every problem.

^this is why so many end up "crushed" .

In a way, this is good for a few of us who want to horde more toys.

19gsx91 said:

Because there is still a turnout, Justin is right, AT LEAST they didn't combine it into the subaru crowd, and so are some of the other guys on here.

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And what exactly is wrong with the Subaru crowd? I'll be honest, i'd much rather watch some dsms/evos and subarus go head to head than some GTRs going fast down the track. There is an immense rivalry between Mitsubishi and Subaru that is fantastic for car enthusiasts.

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I say let the GTRs in. I'd rather have GTRs there then there be no shootout at all, and from what I've read about this year if the community doesn't straighten itself up there WON'T be very many more.

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Maybe that would be for the best then, I likely will not be attending any going forward.

GTR's are nice, and they're great cars. I couldn't agree more. However, it was originally the DSM/Evo Shootout and I too have been a little disgruntled about that. But, I know they need to make money so that they can continue to host the Shootout every year. That in itself I guess is good enough for me. Sadly, yes, our cars are somewhat slowly being pushed out of sight because newer cars are always being produced that most of the market is flocking toward instead. I kind of like that because it just means DSMs are becoming even more rare, and that much more enjoyable. In the end, it'll be those of use who truly love this platform that keeps them living on, and out of the hands of the crowd that sees/saw them as a fad and discarded them when they moved on. I don't see DSMs all that often where I live. Maybe once a week if I'm lucky, but it makes me smile inside every time I do.

I haven't gone to the Shootout yet, mainly because of my car usually in need of something at the time. I have a nice storage unit filled almost to the ceiling with tools and DSM parts that I know my wife would probably be happy to see me thin out, if not completely sell it all. But I horde these parts because I don't know anyone else near by that does, and it's saved my car from long term down time on more than a few occasions. Once I do make it to the Shootout, I'll probably have spares of something in the trunk.