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Can some one tutor me please. The only thing i know how to do is shift. I am completely in over my h

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Aiya

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Apr 15, 2016
Prattville, Alabama
I have never had a turbo. I dont know how to understand all this. Is tgere like anyone who can tutor me?
 
Here's the real sad part but you guys all need to wake up and realize this. If this wasn't a girl, this thread wouldn't be half this long, because it would be filled with 'USE THE SEARCH BUTTON.' Honestly, she needs to start there and not get spoon fed the basics. When I got my first gsx (surprisingly long time ago) and stuff started to go wrong, I didn't sit here and post for every answer unless I was truly stuck and my background was in nothing automotive with no experience as well.
So, just food for thought people, not saying to stop helping her at all, but realize the difference and almost double-standard going on at the moment.

Oh and good luck OP, invest in a service manual or go to the online FSM available on this website.
 
I've helped people one on one on this forum before. Yes I encourage to search which is exactly what I did in this thread but I know how it feels to be alone working on your car with no ones help so I try to add on as best I can. This especially happens when I'm bored LOL
 
The search function us only as good as the knowledge of the person asking the questions. I do believe you need proper terminology to use it am i correct? So what if i use words like thingie stuff i am in school to be a mortician not a mechanic. I work two jobs im sorry if some of you feel that i am trolling you. The simple fact of the matter is im stupid when it comes to cars point blank period. Like someone stated earlier at least im trying to learn but a couple of you a really mean. The only reason i came to this sight is because i literally have NO ONE to help me thereis no family or friends for me to ask so get off of my case stop making fun of me just because you are insecure about a female on a males sight i have looked at all of your tips and help im trying to learn so back the hell off.
 
Update on car starters in and all i get is a whir whir whir small backfire one guy on here is actually trying to help told me 3 possible things 1 coil packs 2 fuel pumper thing 3 timing off
 
Considering this is the newbie section, the "use the search" answer is clearly explained right below the posting window...
People still say that, however the newbie section is specifically for all the questions that ppl with limited knowledge need to ask. Will they eventually have to do some research? Yes, but that doesn't mean they shouldn't post just because a few ppl get irritated at answering alot of the same or similar questions, that to most of us here, are pretty basic.

Anyway, back on topic. OP once you have had a chance to check on some stuff that has been mentioned, post back and we can help to get things diagnosed.
 
You said it backfired, so I'll assume you have spark. Do you know if the Engine Control Unit is the original one? Have you tried swapping the plug wires from coil to coil? The Cam Angle Sensor you have puts out a signal that is inverted compared to the one that was originally equipped on the 95-96 turbo cars. That causes the injector and coil signals to be out of order. The injectors aren't a huge deal right now, but the coils are.
http://www.roadraceengineering.com/1gcasin2g95-96M2.htm

Now, if it is indeed a 1G CAS, you also have the variable of whether base ignition timing is correct, since those sensors are adjustable. We can get into that if need be, but try swapping the plug wires first. Cylinder 1 (closest to timing belt) and cylinder 4 share a coil, 2&3 share the other. Swap all 4 of the plug wires to the coil they are not currently connected to. What happens?
 
Beat me to it^
 

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You said it backfired, so I'll assume you have spark. Do you know if the Engine Control Unit is the original one? Have you tried swapping the plug wires from coil to coil? The Cam Angle Sensor you have puts out a signal that is inverted compared to the one that was originally equipped on the 95-96 turbo cars. That causes the injector and coil signals to be out of order. The injectors aren't a huge deal right now, but the coils are.
http://www.roadraceengineering.com/1gcasin2g95-96M2.htm

Now, if it is indeed a 1G CAS, you also have the variable of whether base ignition timing is correct, since those sensors are adjustable. We can get into that if need be, but try swapping the plug wires first. Cylinder 1 (closest to timing belt) and cylinder 4 share a coil, 2&3 share the other. Swap all 4 of the plug wires to the coil they are not currently connected to. What happens?
1 and 4 are the furthest away 2 and 3 are closest to the timing belt and fuel pump bad no sound coming from it when i turn the key over
 
2 and 3 are the middle ones, 1 is the driver side of the car 4 is the passenger side
Look at the picture oneslowdsm posted (click on it to make it larger, if you didnt know)
If you are swapping the wires...
The two middle one (2,3) get switched to the outside where 1,4 is------ then put 1,4 over where 2,3 used to be...
 
Ok looking at it straight on the order on the coil packs are 4123. The order i have plugged in i uder the one closest to the timing belt as being number 1 and passenger side being 4
 
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Also, I think there's some serious miscommunication going around somewhere, and I'd like to clear this little bit up. -My head hurts after 2 minutes of reading any dsm discussion on facebook.

Firing order: This refers to the actual sequence the cylinders ignite fuel in, and ALWAYS starts with cylinder #1. On almost all inline 4 cylinders (and ALL 4G63 engines) it is 1-3-4-2. On a smallblock chevy V8 it's 1-8-4-3-6-5-7-2....

Cylinder numbering: On an inline engine, cylinder #1 is the closest to the timing belt/chain and they go in order away from it.

NEITHER OF THESE SOLEY DETERMINES HOW THE PLUG WIRES GO WHEN YOU'RE STANDING IN FRONT OF THE ENGINE LOOKING AT THE COIL PACK

4132 is NOT the firing order, Rufus. Sit back down and shove in another handful of cheetos.

On a DSM, the factory ignition is waste-spark, and is actually really good. The coil on the passenger side is coil A, and is normally connected to the plugs on cylinders #1 and #4. Coil B, on the drivers side connects to the middle two cylinders, #2 and #3. However, when you use a 95-96 ECU with a 1G or 97+ CAS, you have to swap the wires to the opposite coil like I posted about above.
 
If all that checks out, I'd make sure your coolant temperature sensor is plugged in all the way and the prong on the sensor itself isn't loose. It's the single wire sensor right below your radiator cap. If it's faulty that could cause it to crank, no start, and give slight back fires.

The single wire sensor (post #38 in below link) is for the temperature gauge, not the ECU. It will not affect cranking, starting, or normal operating conditions in the least. The ECT sensor you are referring to is post #39 here: 2g Engine Bay Electrical Connections.
 
1G = 1990-94
2G = 95-99

1G CAS located on transmission side of intake camshaft, is adjustable (clockable), circular shaped and has 4 pins at the plug.

2Ga (95-96) located under intake cam sprocket, reads off of the sprocket itself

2Gb (97+) located on transmission side of intake camshaft, not adjustable, triangular shaped housing that the sensor mounts into, 3 pins at the plug
 
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And i cheated stupid frank is out of time with a bent valve. As well as in the shop to fix it i have decided minor repairso but anything bigger professionals only i dont wanna screw him up
 
Dang. I was afraid of that.
Just make sure the shop knows what they're doing and uses good parts, If they cheap on parts you'll be doing it again sooner rather than later.
Hope they can get it all sorted out
 
Pulling the head and replacing valves isn't a minor repair. Prepare for a bill, a big one, consider the head is probably toast if its out of time. make sure they are DSM savy and are aware of the swapped components your car has
 
Welcome to the forum! Bent valves due suck. That's too bad.

Can I ask what are your intentions with the car? Daily driver, project, drag race, etc?

You may not know a lot (yet) about these cars, but replacing the starting can be a pain in the a$$, and you were able to do that. Just take your time and read, read, read. Pretty much any basic thing you are looking to do you can find with the search bar.

Be sure to create a DSM profile as well with what your car has on it. You probably don't know everything that it has right now, but update as you go. It looks to me like you have some intercooler hard piping, stock air box delete (or intake), and a 14b turbo. Like the other guys said, you also have a 1g CAS (crank angle sensor). It would be interesting to know if the motor has been replaced or swapped with a 1g (1990-1992) "6-bolt" motor.

Good luck!
 
Hey Aiya, I'm a girl too, don't let that stand in your way. My husband is the (Antman) part of the name. We have a 99 eclipse GST that I bought for him to learn with. He was just like you, could change fluids and check tires but that was about it. It's taken nearly two years to get him comfortable with 'car-talk' and even with forced hands on training it still took two months before he was comfortable with checking most things under the hood. He was just scared of doing the wrong thing and breaking something. Main thing is he had myself and my dad to turn to for help and guidance. In turn both my dad and I came to this site and asked these guys for help and guidance since we were used to American motors with raw horsepower, not these little import turbo cars. Our little Eclipse has grown on all of us in the short time we've had it and we still have it thanks to the help of the members here. You made a good choice in choosing this site, there's lots of info floating around in lots of brains here. Just give the knowledge some time to soak in and you'll get the hang of it.
 
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