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2G 2g awd and fwd coilover question

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boost97gst

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I have Tein Basics all around on my 97 FWD. It's undergoing the transplant. I'm not doing the work(back injury) but the builder is really really good and i went over to drop off a ton of new parts he requested. he showed me the length difference in the awd vs the Tein in the rear. The rears are longer.
Tein seems to sell a generic kit. I can tell visually that if i were to use the fwd coilovers on the awd the rear would automatically drop 2 inches. I'd have to slam the front to compensate.
Not my cup of tea.
Is there a good set of coilovers, not $2,000 sets but more on the 700 to 1,000 price range that would be a good option?
I hate not being able to just order a rear Tein Basic coild over set and be done with it but they really don't seem to offer anything AWD specific.

Opinions on this?
Thanks a lot fellas, this community is quite a bit smaller since i left but i'm hoping there's still some folks out there that might be able to offer some advice.
 
Yea i was looking at buying those but i can't see the benefit since the ride height is still gonna be automatically lower on a awd. Unless they have longer strut assemblies to begin with......
The price isn't all that bad but the Megan EZ streets have a pretty good review and only run about $800 a set.
The Teins i have now are practically new. Maybe 5,000 miles on them.
Money is not too much a limit for me but realistically if i'm not road racing i don't need top of the line coilovers.

I searched and so far it looks like i'm just gonna have to find a way to control the negative camber in the back and crank the ride height as high as i can take it. Not ideal but i don't want to go back to stock suspension, the Teins really do handle great, even for a cheap set.
 
What about the FEAL's for a couple hundred more?
Yea, they run $1350 a set i think. Not too bad but what's the point unless they are physically longer assemblies, ya know? I'm not road racing so it'll be a car that sees weekend duty and maybe 3k miles a year. Maybe take it to the track once in a blue moon.
I can get a set with comp/rebound damping for much less and it'll do everything i need it to. But to that end, i'm still gonna deal with a lower ride height apparently. No matter what set i go with.

Unless i'm missing something big. I could be, don't get me wrong, that's why i posted a topic. I'm looking for clarification but after searching it seems spring rate is the only difference.
 
Well, that would explain the cost difference. Feal is higher quality

I spoke with my builder and he did a little digging too. It's just the way it goes. Going to use the Teins and deal with the neg camber in back w a kit for the 2g
The Teins are naturally really stiff so the extra weight int he rear shouldn't be too much of an issue. If it is then i'll purchase a set of Feals and be done with it. Or a stiffer set of springs. I'll still be dealing with height/camber regardless

Thanks for the input and if anyone here has any first hand experience or can recommend a rear coilover that is setup for an awd that'd be great.
 
From what I gather, your dilemma is ride height on an AWD is lower in the rear because the 2g suspension that's sold is for FWD models (that aren't as heavy in the back) causes it to be lower throwing off your negative camber. No matter what off the shelf suspension setup you buy, whether it's Feal or Megan, is going to give you a stiffer spring in the rear since they're all the same and spring rate doesn't dictate ride height.

Spring rates...​

Feal's - 560lb front // 336lb rear (10k / 6k)
Megan's - 560lb front // 336lb rear (10k / 6k)
Tein Basic - 504lb front // 336lb rear
Tein SS - 504lb front // 336lb rear
Tein SSP - 504lbs front // 336lb rear

Stock rates​

95-96 OEM Stock 2G AWD - 265lb front // 162lb rear
97-99 OEM Stock 2G AWD - 246lb front // 151lb rear
95-96 OEM Stock 2G FWD - 246lb front // 173lb rear
97-99 OEM Stock 2G FWD - 246lb front // 151lb rear​


Purchase a camber kit for the rear so you can run the ride height you need (front and back) and then pull the add'l negative camber out of the rear with the camber kit. To determine my ride height I set negative camber to -2 deg. in the front, I just lower the car with the coil overs until both front's have the same negative camber. To adjust the rears I measure from the center of the hub on the fronts (that are where I want them) and then lower/raise the rears to match the fender to hub distance so the car looks level. Then I use my rear suspension camber adjustment kit to put a -1* camber on both the rear tires.


^^ Not sure if that's the right way but the end results gives me the camber I want to run on both the front and rear and the fender to hub distance is even on both the front/rear wheels. Of course the proper way to do it is getting the car corner balanced/aligned with your weight in the drivers seat but that's not always the practical or even possible solution for everyone.


Pretty sure the Megans don't have a spherical upper perch for the fronts.
Feal's don't have spherical upper top hat's either, read the fine print it's for McPherson applications only which the 2g isn't. 2g Feal's don't have spherical top hat's or camber adjustable top mounts...

The only 2g suspension that I know of that comes with Aurora bearings in the top plates is the DSM Koni Coilover Kit from Jay. ---> Jay Racing : 2G DSM Koni Coilover Full Kit

Like I said, read the fine print on Feal's site...

Feal 441 Coilover Kit said:
The Feal 441 Coilover kit allows your car to run either at stock height or as a super low setting via independent height adjustment.


Specs/features:

- One way adjustable, 30 click spectrum
- Monotube- Japanese Swift springs
- Assembled in house, U.S.A.
- Rebuildable and revalvable in house, U.S.A.
- Independant height adjustment
- Teflon injected spherical bearing top mounts front and rear (MacPherson applications)
- Aluminum top mounts
- Camber adjustable front top mounts (MacPherson applications)
- Slotted rear coilover mounting hole for camber adjustability (MacPherson applications)
- Corrosion resistant coating + Anodized aluminum parts
- High quality low friction seals and rod guide bushings
- High flow pistons (allows super high range of damping tuning)
 
Gofer, thank you so much. Yea i should be good to go with my Teins and the rear camber kit to adjust it.
Basically my builder and i put a rear Tein coilover next to the stock rear suspension assembly and noticed the difference in length. I told him i thought they were the same for fwd/awd just springs might be a higher rate in the rear awd for the extra weight back there
I'm most certainly not afraid to spend the money on the build(boy have i) but as i said,i'm not a racer. My newish old Teins will do the job just perfect from the chart you posted about the spring rates.

Awesome post.

Any suggestion on rear camber kit or just get the one from STM? http://www.streettunedmotorsports.com/parts/stm_dsm_2g_rear_camber_kit.htm
The fronts needed nothing before so i see no reason why they would have excessive neg camber now.
 
If IIRC, you can purchase shocks from Tokico and KYB that differentiate between the FWD and AWD models because the spring seat and shock body are 10mm higher on the AWD model since it's a fixed seat. The coil overs and Koni shocks don't make different versions for FWD/AWD though because they've got a dynamic (adjustable) spring seat which is why they're coil overs...

For the price, you can't beat the STM kit but it's a trial and error alignment to get camber where you want it by adding/removing washers until it's where you want it at that ride height. The rear camber kit that I used is a bit user friendly, giving you the ability to make adjustments a bit easier using a cam bolt but it costs a little more too. --> Ingall's Rear Camber Kit (-1° to +1°)

I've never "slammed" my car but, if that's your style, then you can get the camber kit that includes washers (similar to what the STM kit does) that allows for bigger camber adjustment but still gives you the ability to fine tune it with the cam bolt. --> Ingall's Rear Camber Kit (-1° to +3°)
 
Yea, i looked around and suddenly remembered hearing about ingalls. Those are the ones i'm ordering.
That's still very inexpensive in the grand scheme. Not bad at all.
I too am not looking for a super low ride height, not my thing. I suppose the first one you linked will suffice?

*I gotta say it's just crazy how much i've forgotten over the last year or so. I never messed with AWD or suspension but this is stuff i would never even post about back when i was bustin knuckles every week.
Much appreciated guys. Thank you
 
From what I gather, your dilemma is ride height on an AWD is lower in the rear because the 2g suspension that's sold is for FWD models (that aren't as heavy in the back) causes it to be lower throwing off your negative camber. No matter what off the shelf suspension setup you buy, whether it's Feal or Megan, is going to give you a stiffer spring in the rear since they're all the same and spring rate doesn't dictate ride height.

Spring rates...​
Feal's - 560lb front // 336lb rear (10k / 6k)
Megan's - 560lb front // 336lb rear (10k / 6k)
Tein Basic - 504lb front // 336lb rear
Tein SS - 504lb front // 336lb rear
Tein SSP - 504lbs front // 336lb rear

Stock rates​
95-96 OEM Stock 2G AWD - 265lb front // 162lb rear
97-99 OEM Stock 2G AWD - 246lb front // 151lb rear
95-96 OEM Stock 2G FWD - 246lb front // 173lb rear
97-99 OEM Stock 2G FWD - 246lb front // 151lb rear​
Purchase a camber kit for the rear so you can run the ride height you need (front and back) and then pull the add'l negative camber out of the rear with the camber kit. To determine my ride height I set negative camber to -2 deg. in the front, I just lower the car with the coil overs until both front's have the same negative camber. To adjust the rears I measure from the center of the hub on the fronts (that are where I want them) and then lower/raise the rears to match the fender to hub distance so the car looks level. Then I use my rear suspension camber adjustment kit to put a -1* camber on both the rear tires.


^^ Not sure if that's the right way but the end results gives me the camber I want to run on both the front and rear and the fender to hub distance is even on both the front/rear wheels. Of course the proper way to do it is getting the car corner balanced/aligned with your weight in the drivers seat but that's not always the practical or even possible solution for everyone.



Feal's don't have spherical upper top hat's either, read the fine print it's for McPherson applications only which the 2g isn't. 2g Feal's don't have spherical top hat's or camber adjustable top mounts...

The only 2g suspension that I know of that comes with Aurora bearings in the top plates is the DSM Koni Coilover Kit from Jay. ---> Jay Racing : 2G DSM Koni Coilover Full Kit

Like I said, read the fine print on Feal's site...
Actually feal does offer pillow balls as standard! Have done for about 2 years now i think. Maybe a little bit less so they are a few of the ones that has sperical tops apart from koni built units (dennis grant) and BC aswell as they also offer spherical top mounts front and rear like Feal does.
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^^^ Still not seeing that on their website, good to know though. Looks like the screen shot you posted is from a mobile phone. Maybe they updated their mobile site and never made the change to their PC user site that I'm seeing.
 
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