I am sure a number of people will chime in - do your maintenance first.
But your list looks good, may want to consider cams but not sure if necessary.

gorf said:

I am sure a number of people will chime in - do your maintenance first.
But your list looks good, may want to consider cams but not sure if necessary.

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I am getting a whole new motor to work with,basically speaking ima run the stock gsx motor till it blows while I build the other. But I rather not run water meth. Blew up one of my cars from running it and the safety valve failed thus causing it to blow.

Those parts will definitely get you to your 400hp mark, but why blow up an engine? Why not just maintain it properly and when the other engine is ready swap them out, that way you have an extra engine to use as a backup or to do another build on. Seems kind of silly to blow a block just because... Also, probably no need for meth/water injection, but just like gorf said, cams would probably help as well as adjustable cam gears.

List looks good, if it was me though I'd look into speed density setup instead of a GM MAF, and like some others have said, I'd also look into cams.

Yeah, I'd go SD over MAF any day, throw some cams in, 3" turbo back (Not just cat back) exhaust, external wastegate (Punishment Racing or MAP works well), no need for meth injection and get a good tune.

I'd suggest up to FIC 950cc's as they are still super easy to dial in and will give you some more headroom. Then be sure to get some better brake pads or GSX brakes if you get a FWD.

Most importantly, as said before, do your maintenance first! If you take care of your car, it will take care of you. Also, doesn't matter if its a 6 or 7 bolt, it will hold 400whp all day long as long as its tuned properly by someone who knows what they are doing.

Could someone link me to a how to thread for speed density? I keep finding ecm shit not dsm link tuning[DOUBLEPOST=1415083616][/DOUBLEPOST]

renovatdkitchen said:

Yeah, I'd go SD over MAF any day, throw some cams in, 3" turbo back (Not just cat back) exhaust, external wastegate (Punishment Racing or MAP works well), no need for meth injection and get a good tune.

I'd suggest up to FIC 950cc's as they are still super easy to dial in and will give you some more headroom. Then be sure to get some better brake pads or GSX brakes if you get a FWD.

Most importantly, as said before, do your maintenance first! If you take care of your car, it will take care of you. Also, doesn't matter if its a 6 or 7 bolt, it will hold 400whp all day long as long as its tuned properly by someone who knows what they are doing.

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I like what I've read up on SD but I need a how to, to install it one, and 2 how to tune with it with dsm link

http://www.ecmtuning.com/wiki/sdsetup

Google is your best friend.

terrykiller said:

Could someone link me to a how to thread for speed density? I keep finding ecm sh** not dsm link tuning[DOUBLEPOST=1415083616][/DOUBLEPOST]
I like what I've read up on SD but I need a how to, to install it one, and 2 how to tune with it with dsm link

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Ecm tuning is dsm link and their website has all kinds of info on using ecmlink.

400 is easily achivable on a stock block. i would say throw a mls head gasket and arp studs and the engine would last for a good while.

4g63t_reed said:

400 is easily achivable on a stock block. i would say throw a mls head gasket and arp studs and the engine would last for a good while.

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Only go MLS if you're getting the block and head machined. Otherwise you're not going to seal it properly. The OEM composite one works plenty well for 400hp.

If you still want to run water/meth inj safely, aem has a stand alone fail safe system. It will work with all brands and triggers a lower boost, lower timing, richer map to prevent failure. You also might wanna think about getting the trans built.

Alright I decided to go GM Maft and my buddy told me to go ahead and make it a stroker block for 700 bucks with wesco pistons and eagle rods and a 4g64 7 bolt crank, and then do some delta 272 cams and I should be nocking on the door of 500 awd hp

I hope you plan on doing some supporting mods, ARP main and head studs, BSD, engine mounts, flywheel, clutch etc. You may also need to build your tranny and diff, they sometimes explode if you didn't know. Make things easy for your self, of course it will cost a little more.

terrykiller said:

Alright I decided to go GM Maft and my buddy told me to go ahead and make it a stroker block for 700 bucks with wesco pistons and eagle rods and a 4g64 7 bolt crank, and then do some delta 272 cams and I should be nocking on the door of 500 awd hp

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Why on earth would you go with a MAFT setup? Save your money from both of those, then put it towards a proper tuning solution and other supporting hardware for your 2.0.

It's way too easy to get excited when starting a project and put yourself in a tough spot.

You have a lot more research to do before it's time to commit to a plan and buy anything. Try to take this as constructive caution and slow down.

Hey there is nothing wrong with running a maft setup. I would actually prefer one over speed density. Easier to tune from what i have heard. Also the maft actually reads how much air is going in while sd tries to calculate how much air gets sucked in. I would rather have the exact value vs. A close guesstimate. Thats my opinion.

LandSpeed-DSM said:

Why on earth would you go with a MAFT setup? Save your money from both of those, then put it towards a proper tuning solution and other supporting hardware for your 2.0.

It's way too easy to get excited when starting a project and put yourself in a tough spot.

You have a lot more research to do before it's time to commit to a plan and buy anything. Try to take this as constructive caution and slow down.

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I hear what you're saying but I'm not all that amped up on this build. I've done too many to be excited. reason why I'm going with the GM maf is I am going off my friends car who puts down 550 awd hp on the same stuff I'm wanting to do. My goals are just 400 hp and I'm seeing it's more than achieveable on stock internals so with that being said I'm going to see how much stock pistons and rods are and see if I rather dump my money into a stroker kit or just get some more stock internals for my block.

So if you have a good buddy making power, and say you have so many builds under your belt.. Why start a thread looking for advice/input on what's actually a fairly pedestrian power goal?

Maybe if you read the initial post you would know that he is new to the DSM platform. He could definitely have searched around a little more before asking but he is right to come to the newbie forum and ask these type of questions, he obviously is not entirely sure on how what is the best way to achieve his power goals. My vote is for SD especially if he is already planning on buying dsmlink. What I want to know is if he already has a DSM and an engine, he states that he is intending to buy a 4g63 so does that mean he has a shell or something? Not entirely clear on that, if you dont have an engine yet just look for someone selling a long block and then all you need to worry about are bolt ons.

Ported 02 housing and 3in down pipe. Cat deletes or high flow cat.

Christoph said:

Maybe if you read the initial post you would know that he is new to the DSM platform. He could definitely have searched around a little more before asking but he is right to come to the newbie forum and ask these type of questions, he obviously is not entirely sure on how what is the best way to achieve his power goals. My vote is for SD especially if he is already planning on buying dsmlink. What I want to know is if he already has a DSM and an engine, he states that he is intending to buy a 4g63 so does that mean he has a shell or something? Not entirely clear on that, if you dont have an engine yet just look for someone selling a long block and then all you need to worry about are bolt ons.

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Thank you sir, agrees I could of googled a bit more but I am new to this platform, I'm coming from a 240 platform where all I built was rb's and 2jz. now as I go on about my friend making decent power out of his dsm, that would be idiotic of me to just go off of what he tells me and not ask around for more information. Now onto answering what christoph asked, I recently (yesterday) picked up a Gsx shell that has a long block and no head car was freshly re painted engine bay was repainted,tranny was rebuilt, and come with various other parts. the long block needs internals that's why I questioning go stroker or to not go stroker. I have been speaking to some other dsm guys and they told me only go sd if you have a shop tuning it or if you plan to go for over 500 hp, they also stated to me that the GM maf will get me where I need for the time being and I could later go sd if need be. I will be doing my own tuning with link for the time being, so I think GM maf is best for me.