Yes Bryan I know what Hondas have run still doesn't mean I want one . I don't know for us dsmer's here on Kauai all 4-5 of us that actually are doing things with them. It's more of a pride thing I guess there are so many riced out, played out Hondas and celicas out here it's a joke. Dont get me wrong there are a select few who actually know what there JDM parts are for and not just flashing names of parts off, and I respect them. But here there's not to much pride in builds it's all about having a loud exhaust and flashy rims and body kits. It's funny I can tell you exactly which of my friends is coming over just by hearing there car comig down the road . Mainly because there the only ones that sound good haha the rest are well Honda's. The first thing I here out of everyone's mouths when they ask what turbo is oh is it a t3/t4 :/ . But anyway I'm not bashing Honda's I used to have a 87 crx. That thing was so much fun mainly because it was so small and light and the goal was to beat the crap outta it and even when I did that thing just kept going . But like I said not for me I don't wanna blend in I wanna stand out. And having a dsm here is exactly what happens. There are so few dsm's here that I'm basically the only one on the road and that's the best. And even when I'm not I'm happy because I know who's in the other one and that he knows his stuff. Next weekend marks the greatest day in Kauai racing history . There will be a total of 4 maybe 5 mitsu's at the track instead of lonely me. We will have hopefully a 1g awd, 2g awd, a few evos and myself. But anyway I'm rambling now sorry. It doesn't really matte who's faster but more which car you wanna be in, how you drive it and most important if you know anything that your talking about.

I have owned a number of Hondas, but they were just daily drivers that were great on gas. Some of them looked fast, but they weren't. I have owned a number of DSM's and still do to this day. I only buy the 4g63 and have nothing to do with the 420a. The 4g63 has proven to be a great platform from which to start and build exceptional performance out of. Sure there are some 420a's that are turboed and run good. There are also Hondas out there that run quick, but the comparison to 4g63's (or the ratio) is significantly different.
What it boils down to, as many have said, is that there will always be arguing on what car is better,faster, and on and on. Build what you like and race what or who you want to. Generalizing produces inaccurate results as we all know, so get out there and see who can beat who and that will produce some facts.
Just my 2 psi.

spyderdrifter said:

AMEN!!!

In addition to what I said earlier, all those DSM inspired demotivational pictures, that most have no doubt seen, do have some truth to them. DSMs weed out the weak. Anyone can build a civic or integra be cause they're so easy to build, cheap to build, and everyones got one so the info is bountiful on how to do it. That's not the case with our DSMs. It takes patience, determination, and a lot of blood, sweat, and tears to have a DSM rise above the others, but it's a much more satisfying feeling in the end, to be able to say you built what most could only dream of building.

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you my friend, should be president

A lot of Honda hate in here, pretty sad. Everyone has their opinions, likes and dislikes but I'll tell you one thing. My DD is an 09 Civic SI sedan, and I absolutely love it, decent power out of the box, 30mpg etc etc.

By far the best car I've ever owned was my old 98' EK Hatch. Paid $1000 for it not running, bought a $500 LS engine, home-brew 14b turbo kit from left over DSM parts, DSM Sidemount, 450's, manifold etc etc. (Total investment under $400)

Went to the track and went 13.2 @110, for a grand total of about $2K. Not to mention all of the other benefits of a Honda, superior fuel economy, fun factor, ease of repair/modification, abundance of cheap parts. I'm sure you could do similar numbers in a DSM for around that price as well, but its still apples to oranges. Everything about it I liked more than my DSM, but I was never going "max power" Which the DSM still holds the crown and probably always will, which is the reason I still have one.

And that's with all OLD tech. You can easily get an accord K24 and a K20 head for under $2000 , buy basic swap requirement stuff, throw it in an EG/EK and have a 100% DD 110-115mph car that still gets 30mpg and relatively maintenance free.

But to just toss them out as crap is hilarious, to tell you the truth my 420A car was probably my least favorite vehicle ever.

There are fast Hondas and there are fast DSMs. Most of the people in this thread aren't even fast and are just making stupid posts.

You should just worry about your own cars. If when you go to the track and line up against a Honda, should you beat him, don't rub it in. Should he beat you, congratulate him on building a fine machine.

Somewhere out there, there is a Honda that can smoke you, and unless your name is Rau or Shep, you shouldn't be so confident against every Honda you see.

H4G64T said:

There are fast Hondas and there are fast DSMs. Most of the people in this thread aren't even fast and are just making stupid posts.

You should just worry about your own cars. If when you go to the track and line up against a Honda, should you beat him, don't rub it in. Should he beat you, congratulate him on building a fine machine.

Somewhere out there, there is a Honda that can smoke you, and unless your name is Rau or Shep, you shouldn't be so confident against every Honda you see.

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Exactly. A fast car is a fast car regardless of what brand it is. The only reason people hate on Hondas is because they're the most riced out vehicle on the planet. But that doesn't mean that there aren't well built ones out there. Because there is.

H4G64T said:

There are fast Hondas and there are fast DSMs. Most of the people in this thread aren't even fast and are just making stupid posts.

You should just worry about your own cars. If when you go to the track and line up against a Honda, should you beat him, don't rub it in. Should he beat you, congratulate him on building a fine machine.

Somewhere out there, there is a Honda that can smoke you, and unless your name is Rau or Shep, you shouldn't be so confident against every Honda you see.

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+ 1 on this a fast car is a fast car!

spyderdrifter said:

Anyone can build a civic or integra be cause they're so easy to build, cheap to build, and everyones got one so the info is bountiful on how to do it. That's not the case with our DSMs. It takes patience, determination, and a lot of blood, sweat, and tears to have a DSM rise above the others, but it's a much more satisfying feeling in the end, to be able to say you built what most could only dream of building.

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You mean anyone with knowledge and money can build a fast car, it doesn't matter if it a Honda or DSM.

A side note everyone seems to always forget, the term "riced out" can apply to any car!!!... I know when i got my first DSM (RS) I bought a autozone exhaust, the neon lights and even a type-r seat covers with the matching air freshener, and I was so happy to have them. I felt proud! That was a long time ago!

It's sad how people "hate" Hondas and the people that drive them. In all honesty I feel it's a sort of a form of racism... Sad sad sad...

DSMnOOb00 said:

A side note everyone seems to always forget, the term "riced out" can apply to any car!!!... I know when i got my first DSM (RS) I bought a autozone exhaust, the neon lights and even a type-r seat covers with the matching air freshener, and I was so happy to have them. I felt proud! That was a long time ago!

It's sad how people "hate" Hondas and the people that drive them. In all honesty I feel it's a sort of a form of racism... Sad sad sad...

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Because most people that drive Hondas rice them out. Most cars that are riced are Hondas. That's just how the cookie crumbles.

It funny because this conversation is old, I didn't want to sell my 420a because it was my first car. Guess what, got rid of it and I upgrade to 4g63 platform, owned 95 gst . Now I beat most honda out there. It so bad that I don't even want to race honda anymore. I even beat stock wrx. I love my dsm

Okay.

nelliott500 said:

Okay.

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Okay to what? U didn't have to reply to that.

You brought up a 2-year old thread to shit talk Hondas. Just seems a little silly.

nelliott500 said:

You brought up a 2-year old thread to sh** talk Hondas. Just seems a little silly.

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Dang it seem you not in mood today or something. It mine thread and I can post whatever I want bro. So...

nelliott500 said:

You brought up a 2-year old thread to sh** talk Hondas. Just seems a little silly.

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Duh man they aren't even worth his gas anymore! I guess while I'm here I should say that some DSM guys are just as bad, if not worse than the high school kids in civics. A few teenagers in our local car seen feel the need to shit talk every honda that shows up because they have a t25 with a 5in exhaust tip. One of my best friends has a 700whp RSX and of course whenever he is out with it no one will say a word. People need to learn to respect a solid build when they see one no matter where their loyalty may lie.

tylersevo said:

Duh man they aren't even worth his gas anymore! I guess while I'm here I should say that some DSM guys are just as bad, if not worse than the high school kids in civics. A few teenagers in our local car seen feel the need to sh** talk every honda that shows up because they have a t25 with a 5in exhaust tip. One of my best friends has a 700whp RSX and of course whenever he is out with it no one will say a word. People need to learn to respect a solid build when they see one no matter where their loyalty may lie.

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True but I anit got no t25 buddy

Then update your profile.

People is rude these days smh. Alright I will.

tylersevo said:

Duh man they aren't even worth his gas anymore! I guess while I'm here I should say that some DSM guys are just as bad, if not worse than the high school kids in civics. A few teenagers in our local car seen feel the need to sh** talk every honda that shows up because they have a t25 with a 5in exhaust tip. One of my best friends has a 700whp RSX and of course whenever he is out with it no one will say a word. People need to learn to respect a solid build when they see one no matter where their loyalty may lie.

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Bingo. That's my issue with the attitude. Bashing someone because they drive a Honda is no better than a Honda driver bashing someone because they don't drive a Honda. If you're going to talk shit on Hondas, then start talking shit on people with N/A 420a cars because they're no better. Gutless just like the Hondas except at least Hondas are reliable.

mickey said:

People is rude these days smh. Alright I will.

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No one is trying to be rude. I'm just trying to help honestly. It's attitudes like yours that ruin it for others. I just don't understand the point of posting to bash on Hondas and brag about beating a stock WRX. I applaud you for owning a GS-T but it doesn't give you the right to look down on them.

<--- Die hard DSMer

I would take a Honda over an NT DSM.

Agreed. The GS/RS are just too heavy for the 420a. Sure you get the pretty 2g looks but everyone expects it to be turbo'd or else you just put yourself in the same category as the guy with a weed wacker sounding Civic trying to race a 3,000lb car with 140hp.

I dont get the honda bashing. I mean bashing the OWNERS of hondas, ya know, the neon lights/fart can/stickers types? Yea... thats completely fine. And younger Honda kids do tend to do that shit and think their cars are fast for some unknown reason.

That said, NA to NA i would take the honda any day over a eclipse/talon 420a. Not comparing a 4g to a honda, thats apples and oranges. Hondas are built extremely well and make good power. I would have bought a civic as my daily driver if i didnt get such a good deal on the focus. Anyway, most all new cars now are built very very well compared to the 80s and 90s. Thats another topic.

I'd choose any Honda over a 420a...

and then there was a VW VR6T.