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2G Early '95 Vented Rear Brake FAQ (Discussion/PN)

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This thread is for discussion of vented rear rotors unique to Early '95 AWD DSM's. Any info or questions specific to this topic are welcome, including swaps onto other DSM's. Part numbers are encouraged and will be added to the list once verified.

OEM Replacement Part Numbers (Brand/Vendor):

Rotors
76569RGS (BrakeBest/Oreilly)
NB 4886569 (NAPA)
121.46048 (Centric/Online)

Caliper Brackets
MB857904 (Mitsubishi)

Calipers
CAL SE5217A (NAPA)

Pads
T.B.D.


FAQ's:
What is an Early '95?
Early '95 is the name given to the group of AWD DSM's manufactured before November 1994. These cars came equipped with some rare parts such as Viscous LSD, EPROM ECU, and large vented rear rotors. While the VLSD and EPROM are nothing new to the DSM platform, rear brakes of such caliber aren't found on any other DSM.

Do I have an Early 95?
To determine if you have an Early 95, check the production date of your DSM. This can be found on the info plate located behind the battery, or the sticker located within the driver side door jamb. If your date of manufacture is before November 1994, then you have an Early 95.

Why doesn't my Early 95 have vented rear rotors?
It's not uncommon for people to purchase normal rear brakes, ignore the obvious size difference, and just install them anyways. It's best to pull a wheel off and inspect the brakes up close, then go get what you need.

Should I upgrade to the larger, vented rear brakes? What are the benefits and risks?
If your asking this question then I would strongly urge you to read up on Braking Bias. In a nut shell- You don't want more stopping power in the rear alone. As you brake more aggressively the vehicle's weight will shift forward onto the front wheels and off the back. The added weight in front gives those tires more traction while reducing weight and traction at the rear. More traction means more stopping force without locking up, and vice versa. Not to imply that it's wrong to upgrade the rears; Proper braking bias goes both ways. Just consider the warning.

Speaking from personal experience, the bias is all out of whack with stock 2-pot fronts and vented rears. It makes for some fun times on dirt and snow, but you have to be ready to fight the rear end during an emergency stop. It's not hard to see why Mitsu went right back to small/solid rotors. So upgraded front brakes are a requirement before even considering the rear.

What's the big deal?
Simply put, the Early 95 rear rotors are huge compared to normal 2g rotors. Their diameter is ~284mm versus the normal 265mm. They're also 20mm thick and vented, while normal 2g rear's are only 1/2 as thick and solid as a rock.

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2g big brake front rotors vs 2g gst/1g awd rotors. I say 1g because the rotors my gf bought for her 90 awd were same size as my 95 gst rotors.

Something weird about these fronts I got though is the pad that was used on the back side was smaller than front side??
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Im trying to track down the hardware kit or clips that retain the pads on the vented rears, im pretty sure i found the centric kit CENTRIC Part # 11746010 on rock auto,

does anyone know if o'reilly auto parts carries these also? im going to call in a bit but figured id share the part number since I didn't see it on here

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i ordered them from o'reilly ill post up the part number if they are the correct ones when I get them
 
Im trying to track down the hardware kit or clips that retain the pads on the vented rears, im pretty sure i found the centric kit CENTRIC Part # 11746010 on rock auto,

does anyone know if o'reilly auto parts carries these also? im going to call in a bit but figured id share the part number since I didn't see it on here

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i ordered them from o'reilly ill post up the part number if they are the correct ones when I get them

Were the ones from OREILLY'S correct?
 
Were the ones from OREILLY'S correct?

Im not sure, I ordered them over the phone and when i went to pick them up those tards never ordered them, so I left pissed off and went and got them from autozone LOL, i just got the ones for a 3000gt they didn't fit great but with some tin snips I made them work, they were rubbing the rotor slightly.
 
An avenger owner supposedly put 4G eclipse rear rotors and calipers on his car.

4G eclipse rear rotors are vented, just like the early 95s.

I asked for pictures but he stopped posting and I wasn't able to get them.

Maybe someone wants to confirm this?
 
^^^ That may be interesting. Might be able to source the used parts from a 4g cheaper than buying new "big" brakes?
Not going to find a used early 95 setup. best to buy everthing new. But if you could pull the rears off a 4g in a junkyard........ muuuuch cheaper
 
^^^ That may be interesting. Might be able to source the used parts from a 4g cheaper than buying new "big" brakes?
Not going to find a used early 95 setup. best to buy everthing new. But if you could pull the rears off a 4g in a junkyard........ muuuuch cheaper

That's what I was thinking. I'd dig deeper but I'm at work....and on my phone.
 
There are two sizes available for the vented rear single piston rotors:
284mm from the 91-93 3000GT VR4 and 92-95 Diamante Wagon
266mm from the 91-99 3000GT NA

The 284mm rotors are use with a 38mm single piston caliper while the 266 with a 35mm.

The 284mm vented rear are also find on the 4G Eclipse GT.
http://www.dsmtuners.com/forums/showthread.php?t=447589
 
This may be a pointless question, but since the parking brake is incorporated into the inside of the rear rotors, has anyone verified that the vented rotors are dimensionally the same on the inside as the non-vented and will work? I'm looking to do this swap and wanted to ask before ordering parts.
 
2GA, 2GB and Evo 8/9 parking brakes are dimensionally identical. I have swapped between all three on the same vehicle, they are definitely interchangeable.
 
ACM is correct. They are all the same. Done the swap myself as well. Ebrake worked the same without adjustment and I adjust mine to work only in a few clicks.
 
Just an FYI on any of you wanting the rear brake hardware kit:

The oreilly kit does not work. I can verify that myself. It is actually a universal changeover kit for older trucks that lists for any vehicle.

NAPA AUTO PARTS DOES however carry the exact replacement kit for our cars

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Shown here: http://www.napaonline.com/Catalog/C...ware-Kit-Parking-Brake/_/R-UBP3143_0328075671


I have yet to find any local auto parts store to sell the rear rotors vented though.
 
As overs have mentioned it seems that these are the same rotors as the 1g 3000gt vr4. I am wondering if it is the same calipers as well, sounds like it might be, based on information from here(ie. same piston diameter):
http://www.stealth316.com/2-brakeupgrade.htm
When I have time and finally have all my cars in the same location I plan to verify this. Hopefully getting a house in June.
 
I wanted to bump this thread so that if there are anymore early 95 owners still chugging along they will have some updated info.

Rotors:
1) I recently purchased the LAST remaining Centric 121.46048 rotor off Rock Auto. When searching for a second rotor, I was refunded by a hand full of suppliers. After a call to Centric part support, these rotors are no longer made and haven't been made for over a few years now. With that being said, I doubt you can get the StopTech or Power Slot as well since Centric was their supplier (I think, basing this off interchangeable part #s)

2) NAPA does not supply the rear rotors anymore either. Raybestos was the manufacture and they no longer make them as well.

3) O'Reilly's still carries the rears. BrakeBest Select 76569RGS. I do not know how many are left, etc. I ordered one to match with the Centric rotor I bought and I received it earlier today.

***P.S. - I did not check OEM Mitsu, Autozone, Advanced Auto, Carquest, etc.

Pads:
Still readily available. I went with the Posi Quiet 10505320.
 
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Thanks for the info on the rotors, I've been out of the DSM world for a long time and so much has changed.
I was looking around on on RTM Racing and I saw they had "Whitebox" Plain Rear Brake Rotors (Vented) A90B-ROT-DSMR2gv.

I need to make a decision if I should stay with the vented set up or I was really considering going to the EVO 8 set up. Parts are a lot easier to find for that set up.
 
I'm in the process of doing this swap, along with 1g 3k gt vr4 front calipers / rotors. Oreilly's still carries the larger rear rotors. Centric rotors are discontinued and EBC filled my order but sent the wrong rotors and has yet to respond with any correction for the last 3 weeks.

I found the Centric non loaded calipers from Summit, however, I notice the 45° flare inside the caliper is the opposite direction as my 99 GST rear calipers. I also have a set of 1g 3k gt rear calipers. Both my GST and 3k gt rear calipers need the hose nipple to be an "inny" (the taper going inside towards the hose) but my Centric calipers (number for early 95 vented rears) needs an "outty" nipple (taper extending away from the hose.

I'd rather not have to switch to the 3k calipers as I don't have new pistons to rebuild those. Does anybody know for sure what stainless hose works with this conversion (as having the "outty nipple to the caliper)?
 
I finished the rear install. The rear calipers were wrong and should have had the same port design as all other Eclipse rear calipers and the 3k gt rears. Luckily Techna-Fit was willing to make custom lines for me.
 
I found that R1 concepts carrys vented rears. The letter at the end is for left and right side if getting the slotted ones. They are listed under 95 eagle talon only not eclipse.

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