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black97spyder

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Oct 13, 2012
independence, Kansas
Okay so my dad just bought a '90 tsi awd 5 speed a week ago. Well I was driving the car with him in it, not boosting, and the turbo inducer nut backed off and tried to get sucked through the turbo... luckily it didnt get sucked through but it completely trashed the 16g that was on the car.


My 97 tsi awd is down for several months and getting a new turbo setup on it. He is wanting to buy an ebay 16g..... I told him that is definitely not the way to go and that instead of wasting his money on an ebay turbo, I offered to let him use my FP mani, FRESHLY rebuilt MHI 20g, oil feed line and j-pipe and told him to buy a VRSF FMIC with the money he was gonna use on an ebay turbo.... well he thinks it would be better to buy the ebay 16g and everything needed to run it, instead of buying an FMIC, "modifying the car" and using my great turbo setup. (And I will be doing 100% of the work)


He said he just wants the car to run... which a new turbo will cost the same as a FMIC pretty much, plus he would get to use my complete turbo setup. Which would save him lots of money for now (which he said he doesnt have much of)

so this comes to my advice question... is my advice the better advise for this situation or is his way the better way to "just get it running"??

Thanks for your opinion guys!
 
PR one is nice. It is more though. I have it on my 2g and made 434fwhp on it with my 20g and e85. My IATs were never above 110 and on normal days it woud stay around 75-95. I like it, but am going to need a bigger one now. Do a little more research on fitment and all and compare the ones you like before you commit. I chose my PR over the vrsf, but to each his own.

I would take Alex up on his turbo. He is a very good guy and helps out a lot in DSM community. That's a steal of a deal too. And I'm sure if you needed it ported he can do it too. So Pm him and talk about it.

Good luck and god bless,

Anthony B.
 
Thanks because I was thinking the same thing. It can always be used at Wilson Racing LOL. We have way to many hot rods. I kinda like the Punishment one too but I was assursed that it would work with the fogs too. Now decisions decisions decisions. ... I sure like the different opinions on this site then I get to make the choice. :)
 
I would consider lookinmg into replacing the MHI16g with one from the classifieds. Going to a 20g and a front mount will require tuning, fuel pump, injectors, and a full exhaust. If you are really just going to slap it in with everything else stock that it will just be supeer laggy. car is already settup for a 16g--- go with that.
 
Just from first hand experience to clear all this "20g is laggy" bs, it is not. It is in fact a fast spooling turbo and I have logs to prove 24psi by 3200. It is a very proven street turbo. So if you are even considering the 20g, please don't take that comment into your thoughts for decision making. Most of the time people say "this turbo" and "that turbo" is "laggy" because 9 times out of 10 they have never ran a large turbo and don't even know what lag is. Also, you can keep your fogs with the PR kit too. The piping I think is a little longer, but we're not trying to get every ounce of performance now are we? Just looking to keep the fogs and res. In stock positions correct?


I would consider lookinmg into replacing the MHI16g with one from the classifieds. Going to a 20g and a front mount will require tuning, fuel pump, injectors, and a full exhaust. If you are really just going to slap it in with everything else stock that it will just be supeer laggy. car is already settup for a 16g--- go with that.

Read the entire thread, the turbo was a 14b. And please let's not give false information. You don't have to tune the car just because it has a 20g and Fmic. He can safely run stock boost with both and have no problem at all. I did it until link came in and then when upping the boost, yes now you tune. But you do not "HAVE" to tune the car to run these parts.

So to the OP disregard that and don't let this render you decision on whichever you decide to do. Research research and more research will do you right. 99.99% of the questions you are going to be asking yourself now and I. The future can be found here, but not all of it is true. You would have to read closely and more than one thread to see what you are looking for. I hope everything goes according to plans and everything works out for you. Good luck.

God Bless,

Anthony B.
 
Thanks for all your advise for my dad guys! I recommend the VRSF fmic because the piping is shorter and will route alot better in the engine bay compared to my 2g P.R. kit.

Also thanks Anthony B for clarifying the whole tuning thing, he won't need to tune anything until he runs more than 14psi on a 20g. I think he will love the turbo setup and spool time on it :thumb:... especially with a fmic to help the upper power band :)

also thanks for all your great support and help Alex! Your always there for me when I am completely at a loss with my dsm and help me get through whatever problem im dealing with LOL
 
I appreciate all of the input and good advice. I think I will take a few days and think it all through real good since its not very good weather out right now so I have time. Many good ideas came out of this discusion and thats what a newbie needs. Many thanks!!!
 
I had a clever comment all typed up last night but i didnt post it.:banghead:

So ill use some of it by saying mr.90awdtalon..How badass would you be if you chose the 20g route..Muscle car background,father with kids old enough to drive.

Im routing for you to stick around..:thumb:
 
I have brought the DSM world to his attention because I once thought like he did... someone would say they have a fast 4 cylinder that would outrun my 11 second camaro, and all I could ever say was "haha there is no way" LOL

but then I bought my first dsm (spyder gst) and turned the boost up to 16psi with no tune or anything and instantly realized that DSM's would absolutely without a doubt outrun my 11 second camaro if built right (installed a faulty MBC that would run full boost when should be wastegate pressure and i maxed out the stock 2g BOV at 14psi, but didn't realize it was faulty until I installed my 1g BOV and went for a test drive.... seen a cop flip a u-turn so I mashed the gas and the car boosted 28-30psi and did 80mph in a block while roasting the tires in 1st and 2nd through my auto).... it was at this point I knew without a doubt that a DSM would outrun pretty much ANY other car on the street :thumb:


then boost became really addicting for me... and my dad drove my car one night without asking (runs 12.80's in the 1/4 mile)...... and he instantly became boost addicted LOL. Boy he sure loved the 25psi my 20g was pushing while just a third of the way on the gas haha


sorry for the rant LOL, just got off work and needed to get my car talk out of my system before bed haha :)
 
This area is too poor to have guys running around with a modded newer muscle.

Its all 60/70s and some 80s muscle.We have a big corvette stingray group in the area.Theres 1 guy in town tho I wouldnt even mess with..Its a 65 impalla ss with a 600hp big block with some fatties on the back..

Not too many built older muscle..Those guys are all about origanal looking.Maybe a mild cam,different gear ratios,and a header back exhaust.But most folks wouldnt see that.
 
Well after all the time that has passed I just wanted to update the thread. I bought the VRSF unit and it fits real well and retains the fogs, see my tech write up in the turbo/intercooler section for 1990 Talon VRSF FMIC install. I took pictures of everything I did and posted it so that others could see how I did the factory PS retention and was able to keep the factory look (even better sleeper if I had painted the FMIC black). This weekend I am planning on bolting the header and turbo back on, put the new DSM Link ECU back in and see if she will run again. Crossing fingers and :pray: :thumb:
 
Hey man honestly there are so many ppl that sell both for cheap... I just bought a complete fmic 29x12x3 for 170 in good condition.. the parts are out there just got to look around... comes down to what you want honestly..

Good luck on everything..
 
Ya. I would tell him to check out craigslist for parts. You can find a good 16g there and maybe even a fmic. If not you can get a decent fmic on ebay with hard pipes for around 300 bucks. That will suffice to "get it running"
 
I too still have some old Muscle Cars around but these little monsters are alot of fun and much easier on the gas! Both of my sons (one is on here but the other is still a little young) have '86 Z-28's that I built for them for graduation and I have a '87 IROC 'Vert. Used to have a '67 RS Camaro, but that is another story and its a sad one. Thanks for all of the ides guys, they helped a bunch and this weekend will tell the rest of the story. Vroom Vroom, whoosh!
 
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