Between those two, twinscroll 12cm housing hx35 if you want to spend money on the manifold. This guy just installed one read his thread http://www.dsmtuners.com/forums/dsm...sx-build-journey-450awhp-daily-driver-10.html

They're not even in the same ballpark- the Black is closer to a HX40; the FP Green XL or Red would be closer in potential to a HX35. This is discussed here.

You should look into getting a FP black. It's a straight bolt on turbo capable of huge numbers. A lot of guys in Evo and STI swap for FP turbos.

So your saying FP black is basically having a hx40 in your car right? Then yeah I'd pick the FP black. It's nice you have a built head cylinder you won't run into issues going with a big turbo like that.

sydkic295 said:

You should look into getting a FP black. It's a straight bolt on turbo capable of huge numbers. A lot of guys in Evo and STI swap for FP turbos.

So your saying FP black is basically having a hx40 in your car right? Then yeah I'd pick the FP black. It's nice you have a built head cylinder you won't run into issues going with a big turbo like that.

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For someone with 1 tech post I would love to know your reasoning for the above..

TSimage said:

For someone with 1 tech post I would love to know your reasoning for the above..

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Quoted for truf.

"well Evo and Subaru guys use it, so it MUST be good."

I'm not actually new in the forum. what happened was I started a new account after getting locked out from my old one trying to change my login password.

By the way nice respond Justin. That made me laugh.

If your gonna be running twist is your going to want to run a less laggy turbo either ggreen or red or the hx35, its what you want that's a deciding factor do you want to spool exiting a turn or something that's going after you have left a turn.but that also driving depending.Building a 4g64 I'm looking for a turbo that lags enough that I'm not shifting in the middle of spool up while normal driving.

JusMX141 said:

They're not even in the same ballpark- the Black is closer to a HX40; the FP Green XL or Red would be closer in potential to a HX35. This is discussed here.

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That post he linked sums it up very well!! Good luck let us know which you choose.

issac712tsi said:

I say go black, granted it cost a little more, its a direct bolt on.

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...and a HX35 with a Bullseye turbine housing isn't?

Um u do have to dent the coolant pipe a bit but for the most part just bolt on.

I didnt have to dent my w/p pipe with my 6 blade hx40 and punishment racing t3 hotparts kit manifold, wheather you have to dent it or not depends on the type of mani your using.

Rrr the black you do.

Who cares if you have to dent a water pipe? Ive done it, it creates no issue what so ever and takes 5 minutes.

TSimage said:

For someone with 1 tech post I would love to know your reasoning for the above..

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It's just my personal preference if I have to choose one between the two. I obviously don't have neither turbos so to let anybody know now don't quote any of the things I say. I'm only guessing here based on what I've read in the tech forums. Just want to help out and hoping somebody who knows about these turbos could actually give a more precise answer. I can use the info myself.

untouchablecc said:

Who cares if you have to dent a water pipe? Ive done it, it creates no issue what so ever and takes 5 minutes.

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I didnt say it was a issue. Now did I .All I said was u have to dent the pipie a bit.

Im just saying its not a big deal and really a common sense thing if you go to install a turbo and it hits the pipe my first instinct would be just give it a little dent. I don't see how its significant to go back and fourth on it when its not even relevant to the question at hand. Anyways.

You want 500 hp and quick spooling for corners in the mountains of Tennesse. I have family around Crossville so if your wanting quick spool for those kinda bends you better be thinking 16g haha. Kidding all bs aside, what compression ratio are you running? I think a true twin scroll manifold with the 12m housing will be your best bet for spool up on the hx35. Most people going t3 on an hx series turbo aren't using them for snappy spool up characteristics but more for raw power and top end on a 2.0. Mr peepers has really quick spool up on a 2.0 with his twin scroll mani.

gotta toss this in the mix: He351cw..... 9cm housing, flows similar to hx40

A hx40 on dsm housing is pretty awesome though. And not to mention you feel great about your car after putting it together. Then once your done messing around you can go T3 and give yourself plenty more room for power.

Fp black is a quality turbo though. I'm thinking how nice it would feel to actually just bolt in something brand new in your car and when if you want bigger then whatever you would have spend on a t3 manifold for hx40 you get yourself one of the HTA turbo. It would come out pretty close since you'd have to swap turbine housing and o2 housing as well.

If holset turbo is usually oil cooled only. Isn't it pointless having it around still? I'm asking because I had to do a water pipe delete on my car. I know the water line goes into your oil filter housing but where is the rest suppose to connect after that? Mine was deleted out somehow by a friend and now all there is in there is a bolt and clamp on the other end of the rubber.

sydkic295 said:

A hx40 on dsm housing is pretty awesome though. And not to mention you feel great about your car after putting it together. Then once your done messing around you can go T3 and give yourself plenty more room for power.

Fp black is a quality turbo though. I'm thinking how nice it would feel to actually just bolt in something brand new in your car and when if you want bigger then whatever you would have spend on a t3 manifold for hx40 you get yourself one of the HTA turbo. It would come out pretty close since you'd have to swap turbine housing and o2 housing as well.

If holset turbo is usually oil cooled only. Isn't it pointless having it around still? I'm asking because I had to do a water pipe delete on my car. I know the water line goes into your oil filter housing but where is the rest suppose to connect after that? Mine was deleted out somehow by a friend and now all there is in there is a bolt and clamp on the other end of the rubber.

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You have a lot to learn bud. A LOT

^isn't that the point of newbie forums

My vote would be for something smaller then the black for better spooling, then again I've never ran a big turbo the 20g will be the biggest I've been exposed to yet.

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If holset turbo is usually oil cooled only. Isn't it pointless having it around still? I'm asking because I had to do a water pipe delete on my car. I know the water line goes into your oil filter housing but where is the rest suppose to connect after that? Mine was deleted out somehow by a friend and now all there is in there is a bolt and clamp on the other end of the rubber.

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I believe you have a few things confused, To start off you're not deleting the enitre water pipe completely. You're actually only deleting the the hard "accessory like" lines. The water pipe it self is still used to circulate coolant throughout the engine. Most people (including myself) just swap to an NA waterpipe for imo a cleaner look.


On topic: I vote FP black, my reasoning is I believe you'll hit your target goal a bit "easier"as well a bit easier install. Holsets require you to source a lot of your own pieces to complete an install. Not impossible just a bit more involved.

How many 500whp HX35s are out there? Excluding Peepers, Bastard and a few others how often are people seeing 500whp?

Assume $500 for a rebuilt hx40. Then, what is it? maybe another 250 for a bep housing?
Not bad.
Twin scroll is the best but its in a whole 'nother league price-wise. Then you're getting up to 2,000 or more after turbo, wastegateS, custom dump pipes, and a custom dp. I think the price would go well beyond a Black, but it would perform very very well.

I would go 40/bep bolt on or FP black. If your pockets are deep and you want something you can really grow with, twin scroll.

ram rt said:

^isn't that the point of newbie forums

My vote would be for something smaller then the black for better spooling, then again I've never ran a big turbo the 20g will be the biggest I've been exposed to yet.

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The point to the newbie forums.. is reading the non-newbie forums and forming questions based on what you read vs. your current understanding to then start a thread in the newbie forum.

Giving advice as someone who has just started to research renders a "blind leading the blind" situation. This is how bad info stays in circulation or new bad info enters the picture.

Hence the criticism.

Hx35 in a bolt on housing all the way!

With the 2.0 it spooled close to a 16g at 18 psi at about 3,600rpm. It's hard to recall exactly it's been a year and some change. I have the FP mani, .55a/r, recirc o2, tial, BC 272's(great street cams!),2g maf, stock intake, small cxr IC, 1000's, auto.
But I loved that setup and how it spooled. It seemed the more I cranked the boost the faster it spooled. Right now on the 2.3 I can tell its very restrictive at 30 psi. It stops pulling after 25 levels then dies off. I'll be going with the 12cm housing and T/S soon.

As a side note there really isn't much hassle on the install. Just make sure you run a 12an (3/4") drain and feed it from the OFH. As long as your oil pressure is straight there won't be any issues.
I bought a 10an that bolted to the pan. Then I bolted it to the pan and used a drill with a Uni-bit (w/extension) and drilled it out to 3/4" then added a hose. I also had to hit the pipe a little !:
Turbos are cheap if you/they muff up
Rock it.