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RWD 4G63 Subframe mod?

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I'm going to try this one last time...

Cutting the whole front end was your 1st mistake. What you should have done is modified the oem firewall and fabricate a tubular subframe, thats all. The simpler the build and fabrication required the less cost it will be. The more materials needed the more expenses. Been you cut the whole front end, now you need to fabricate brackets to bolt the fenders, hood, bumper, headlights, radiator, etc etc to the chassis. More fabrication involved means more expenses, everything starts to add up quick.

Roll bars are totally different than roll cages. If you building a street car you didn't need to caged the car, a simple and typical 6pt roll bar would have been more than enough. Keep in mind roll bars & roll cages AREN'T design for street cars. Unless you planning on wearing a helmet to the streets, your cage will be a death trap in case of an accident. Also a 6pt roll bar requires a lot less fabrication vs a 10/12pt roll cage which means less expenses.
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Typical 6pt roll bar
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Typical 10pt roll cage
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Typical 12pt roll cage

The correct way to do what you are doing would have been fabricate a 1piece frame rail and weld the cage to the chassis/frame rail. But that requires better fabrication knowledge and skills than what you think you have.
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I know this isn't what you want to hear, but your best option at this point would be dump that car, buy another body whatever you want, and start all over the right way. You past saving this car. Don't keep wasting money in a bad designed car.
 
I guaranty that they used full front clips from each car with uncut frame rails. I'm also positive they didn't use Home Depot square tubing to join the chassis together and brace them. You are comparing a impractical but well put together idea to your travesty.
 
Well, we should all know that you can take a fwd vehicle and cut the front clip off and it still drive down the road but is that safe. Also in the video, they drove it around a farm yard or something not out on the streets.
 
Man just get your head out of your ass and just listen to people. We actually know what were talking about, and a couple of us have A LOT more experience then you. Were not tellin you this stuff to hear ourselves talk. You say you want ppls help on what to do, but when we tell you something you dont want to hear, you just blow it off. You NEED to get a new shell and start over. You think you know what your doing with this, but trust me, you are FAR from being right with anything in this build. So put your ego aside and just start over. And maybe if you do and are willing to actually LISTEN to us, it might turn out as a cool project, but just because you weld a bunch of tubing together and make it look like something, doesnt mean it is. But i know no matter what anybody says, your just gonna keep going on with this until its finished. And if thats the case, just delete the whole thread, ### its doing nobody any good, not even yourself.
 
Are you serious DSM's 4 Life comparing that video with your project ???? I really can't believe how hardheaded and stubborn you are that's there is no way to make you understand how wrong your build is... You want to prove us wrong so bad that you can't seem to listen what we've been saying since day 1, and day after day you keep building that car even worse... Just search the fokin internet for pics of well built cars the right way and judge for yourself... OPEN YOUR EYES KID...
 
Are you serious DSM's 4 Life comparing that video with your project ???? I really can't believe how hardheaded and stubborn you are that's there is no way to make you understand how wrong your build is... You want to prove us wrong so bad that you can't seem to listen what we've been saying since day 1, and day after day you keep building that car even worse... Just take what we have said, and search the ####in internet for pics of well built cars the right way and judge for yourself... OPEN YOUR EYES KID...

What are you talking about?!!? Hes right! Were all wrong!!

His stubbornness reminds me of Waterboy..hopefully that link went through ahha

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Ok...I am not trying to be a dick but you are going to get hurt in that cage. I am in NJ. Stop by the shop. I will show you the right way to put a cage in a car. That thing is a wreck. MTK's Welding Race Cars. PM me

FYI--YOU WILL NEVER PASS TECH AT A TRACK
 
Someone just loves having my name in their mouth.

Back to being on topic. Those clios probably weigh less than half of what your dsm is going to weigh. Weight plays an important part in determining how much fortification you need. Also the torque the clios put out is probably 1/3 of what your big block will produce. Your engine is going to weigh in around 800lbs, and will probably put out around 400ft lbs of torque. That square tubing you have most of your front end welded to is only rated for around 150lbs or so.
 
Take a look at the link for the kit he bought and installed. The A piller bars are supposed to go from the floor up the kick panel and up the A piller to the hoop. They stop at the hoop. Different than most of posted links/pics everyone is bashing him over. It's not his design. Where he did go wrong, was cutting the A piller tube, making an additional joint at the kick panel.

I'd like to see the link he posted, because as far as I knew and read, he posted "just bought 55' of steel tube" accompanied by a picture of him wasting every inch of it.

I went back the last 4 pages and still didn't see a link.

And also, the last pic of the cage with his kewl "sunroof protect the glass from falling on me" half hoop with no pillar bars is a joke. I'm sure his welding skills are less than sub par, so when he welds in the pillars half assed, then say this monstrosity makes it on to a piece of pavement... he wrecks it, pillar bar breaks off at head level and breaks his face. This is all assuming the engine hasn't already crushed his legs at this point in his drive :thumb:

When he gets done slapping steel in this thing I think it will weigh in just under 6200 lbs. Haha.
 
Ok, ill bite on it...

If he did in fact use the kit, the only thing he didn't #### up was the main hoop. Everything else says hack. Hell.... if the cage looked like the link I'd shut my mouth, but he hacked it beyond repair. And the best part is, dude has never heard of tacking something together. So hacked up cage + fully welded = hundreds of pounds of scrap.

I'm not tryin to argue with you morphius, this guy is just a joke. And the cage looks nothing like that link, he took something acceptable to a whole new low of dangerous.

Ok, ill bite on it...

If he did in fact use the kit, the only thing he didn't #### up was the main hoop. Everything else says hack. Hell.... if the cage looked like the link I'd shut my mouth, but he hacked it beyond repair. And the best part is, dude has never heard of tacking something together. So hacked up cage + fully welded = hundreds of pounds of scrap.

I'm not tryin to argue with you morphius, this guy is just a joke. And the cage looks nothing like that link, he took something acceptable to a whole new low of dangerous.
 
I say the biggest issue is connecting the frame rails to that firewall. Why not attach those mustang frame rails to the factory frame rails by tubing or square steel. Then weld the factory firewall back in and cut out metal to fit the transmission through.

This link has a galant vr4 owner that did a complete tube chassis front end. Please take a look at it for some ideas.
The never ending build of 1062. | Galant VR-4 > General VR4 Discussions | GalantVR-4.org Mitsubishi Galant VR4 Forum

And an image trying to show the square frame rails.
 

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Someone just loves having my name in their mouth.

Back to being on topic. Those clios probably weigh less than half of what your dsm is going to weigh. Weight plays an important part in determining how much fortification you need. Also the torque the clios put out is probably 1/3 of what your big block will produce. Your engine is going to weigh in around 800lbs, and will probably put out around 400ft lbs of torque. That square tubing you have most of your front end welded to is only rated for around 150lbs or so.

I would love to see you and dsm 4 life build a car together.
 
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