DSM's 4 life said:

I did this so the side bar would pass through my elbow and shoulder the bar was to low when I went right to the floor.

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DSM's 4 life said:

I am not rationalizing anything I never said I would be taking my car to the track. I could care less if i pass tech spec. This car is being built for the streets.

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So you originally tried to build it to nhra rules, didnt do it right, and now you could care less if it passes tech?

My welds have gotten a lot better from when I first started and my cage design is not far off

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So you originally tried to build it to nhra rules, didnt do it right, and now you could care less if it passes tech?

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I saw the rule it said the post needed to go to the ground it dident specify how it should be done or what not to do.

DSM's 4 life said:

My welds have gotten a lot better from when I first started and my cage design is not far off



I saw the rule it said the post needed to go to the ground it dident specify how it should be done or what not to do.

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The passenger post isnt welded to the floor, its welded to the short tube tying it to the ground, thats NOT right.. Call Mick from chassis builder warehouse, num 561-202-4708, he used to be a chassis designer for chassis engineering and hes a good friend of mine, tell him I sent you. Send him pics and he'll tell you what to and what not to do. Hes not a forum or backyard welder, hes a profesional chassis guy and thats what he does day after day. If you want a real profesional opinion give him a call. Im not saying anything else, its your build after all..

This will never pass registration inspection.
www.dmv.org/ny-new-york/custom-built-cars.php

If you don't get inspected by the DMV after this much chassis modification and you are caught you are looking at felonies, your license can be revoked etc.

If you hurt someone, passenger or other motorists that's going to be jail time. Your not going to have it easy finding insurance for a caged street car, let alone one that isn't registered.

Have fun wearing a helmet and a 5 point harness to just leave the driveway in your death trap felony-mobile.

Why bro?? I cant understand this anymore We have discussed this, and this wont be like the underdog finally overcoming an obstacle like in the movies. AHHH...honestly, im tired. Why did i have to see this update right before Christmas

Wow I came across this thread a few months ago. This car is still being built with a box tubing firewall?

That box tubing wouldn't be strong enough to build a fwd north south cross member let alone be the only stabilizer for the normal torque movement of a rwd v8. Not to mention how the front (dare I say) chassis legs seem to now be in a upward angle. Leaving me to believe that this will fold in half pulling out of his driveway if not when he mounts the motor.

Is all the metal you just bought some schedule 40 thin wall garbage?

I don't have much experience with the dsm in rwd configuration, but I have worked with metal and built a lot of stuff from scratch on my jeep, the right way. The reason your cage is wrong is because your anchor points to the chassis need to be one continuous piece of metal mounted to a flange at the floor. The 90* cut you made created a sheering point in the chasis, a weak spot for lamens terms. What can and has a high potential of happening, is your front end falls off, you slide into a barrier of some sort on your floor pans because the front end is down the road a few blocks... so you hit the wall, the car stops but the cage breaks at those points and continues to crumble around you and impail you.

You also need to spend the money on the correct materials, which I doubt you did judging by the front end.

Here is an example of placement and use of correct materials. I have used that 1"x1"x1/8" box tubing you used, sure, love the stuff... I used it to build a roof rack. A completely non structural piece of my jeep, it hold a 90 pound spare and some camp gear and 4 fog lights. I got in a hairy spot on a trail and actually rubbed a tree down the side of the rack and guess what, it bent.

But hey, its your money. Its amazing to actually see this much fail, and in the 4x4 world you see plenty of this stuff.

I'd save whatever metal you have left, because its worth more in sticks now than when you hack it together and make it unusable to someone else.

Edit: now that I think about it, another good use for that 1x1 tube is what my dad did in his garage. He built a rack on the wall to organize and hang his ladders/brooms and shovels. Its great stuff for that

DSM's 4 life said:

I am not rationalizing anything I never said I would be taking my car to the track. I could care less if i pass tech spec. This car is being built for the streets.

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Just swallow your pride and listen to these people who know more than you about this stuff. This is not something that needs a brace here and there. What you are doing is the complete opposite of what should be done. You have completely botched this thing. You are no where even in the ball part as to what needs to be done. This thing is built to fail. And when it fails it will be bad. You will not survive any wreck on the street In this thing.

LandSpeed-DSM said:

This will never pass registration inspection.
New York DMV Registration for Custom Built, Kit Cars, & More at DMV.org: The DMV Made Simple

If you don't get inspected by the DMV after this much chassis modification and you are caught you are looking at felonies, your license can be revoked etc.

If you hurt someone, passenger or other motorists that's going to be jail time. Your not going to have it easy finding insurance for a caged street car, let alone one that isn't registered.

Have fun wearing a helmet and a 5 point harness to just leave the driveway in your death trap felony-mobile.

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It's getting inspected and is going to pass its a 1990 obd1 im sure the hood wont even get popped haha and you can get stickers if you pay enough money...... And as for insurance I own a 1990 dsm and that's all they need to know.
Wearing a helmet is 100% legal while you drive. It's my life to idk why all of you care so much if I die hey darwens theory I'm stupid enough to build a shitty cage...

DSM's 4 life said:

It's getting inspected and is going to pass its a 1990 obd1 im sure the hood wont even get popped haha and you can get stickers if you pay enough money...... And as for insurance I own a 1990 dsm and that's all they need to know.
Wearing a helmet is 100% legal while you drive. It's my life to idk why all of you care so much if I die hey darwens theory I'm stupid enough to build a shitty cage...

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I could care less about you It's unwitting passengers, people on the road and sidewalks that concern me. They didn't sign up for your half-baked experiment.

You will be committing insurance fraud in that case and the car is not street legal (based on the pictures you've shown us) without Special Construction/Custom Built paperwork in the State of NY.

I have half a mind to report you myself, this is so scummy.

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I could care less about you It's unwitting passengers, people on the road and sidewalks that concern me. They didn't sign up for your half-baked experiment.

You will be committing insurance fraud in that case and the car is not street legal (based on the pictures you've shown us) without Special Construction/Custom Built paperwork in the State of NY.

I have half a mind to report you myself, this is so scummy.

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Well " my car won't make it down the driveway" but if it does I will let all of you know so you can call the police on me.

DSM's 4 life said:

It's getting inspected and is going to pass its a 1990 obd1 im sure the hood wont even get popped haha and you can get stickers if you pay enough money...... And as for insurance I own a 1990 dsm and that's all they need to know.
Wearing a helmet is 100% legal while you drive. It's my life to idk why all of you care so much if I die hey darwens theory I'm stupid enough to build a shitty cage...

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He is not talking about a safety inspection, he is talking about a rebuild inspection. You will legally be required to take this car to your lock highway patrol inspection station. They WILL pop the hood. This is totally different than a mvi inspection. This will never pass. You can not bribe a police officer to pass this.

DSM's 4 life said:

Well " my car won't make it down the driveway" but if it does I will let all of you know so you can call the police on me.

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You are the worst kind of selfish ignorant a$$hole.

bryanwheat said:

He is not talking about a safety inspection, he is talking about a rebuild inspection. You will legally be required to take this car to your lock highway patrol inspection station. They WILL pop the hood. This is totally different than a mvi inspection. This will never pass. You can not bribe a police officer to pass this.

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Exactly, this is not like an emissions check.

bryanwheat said:

He is not talking about a safety inspection, he is talking about a rebuild inspection. You will legally be required to take this car to your lock highway patrol inspection station. They WILL pop the hood. This is totally different than a mvi inspection. This will never pass. You can not bribe a police officer to pass this.

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There is no need for a rebuild inspection I have a clean title from this car. Apparently none of you guys have seen kit cars registered as real cars I have seen fiberglass hummers registered as suburbans

DSM's 4 life said:

There is no need for a rebuild inspection I have a clean title from this car. Apparently none of you guys have seen kit cars registered as real cars I have seen fiberglass hummers registered as suburbans

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The title was from when it's VIN was tied to a sound OE Unibody Chassis.

That document no longer means anything after you cut the firewall and the frame legs off the front. Then made your own front end and load-bearing cage,

If you have never registered a Kit car or a custom chassis, you are about to get a very real lesson in why this should never have progressed. It's all in that NY DMV link I gave you.

DSM's 4 life said:

There is no need for a rebuild inspection I have a clean title from this car. Apparently none of you guys have seen kit cars registered as real cars I have seen fiberglass hummers registered as suburbans

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Well the car is effectively totaled so it should have a salvage or rebuilt title at the very least. The reason they are registered as suburban also is because they are a suburban with a new outer shell. You have a custom chassis with a shell on it basically, totally different.

This is amazing.

that is all I have to add.

bryanwheat said:

Well the car is effectively totaled so it should have a salvage or rebuilt title at the very least.

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NY "Rebuilt Salvage" inspections are infamous too.

Good luck.. 8-10 weeks and ~$1500 to be told to scrap it.

The funny part is the salvage inspection is separate from the safety and insurance inspection! It's for anti-theft.

A big block Ford in a Mitsu will have them breaking out the rubber gloves and vaseline.

LandSpeed-DSM said:

I have half a mind to report you myself, this is so scummy.

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DSM's 4 life said:

Well " my car won't make it down the driveway" but if it does I will let all of you know so you can call the police on me.

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I guarantee if this thing ever moves under it's own power, there will be PLENTY of phone calls from forum members to the NY police and DMV.

I think I might do this to my car...I have the sawzall, acetylene gas welder and a swing set outside. I also have a bike frame to use hahaha.

In all seriousness I've been wanting to tube the front core support. Seems simple enough but I'm still no where near the capacity to attempt something like that! Once I feel I have enough knowledge and fab skills...I'll go to town though!

Use this car as practice for the next one. You got balls

DSM's 4 life said:

I am not rationalizing anything I never said I would be taking my car to the track. I could care less if i pass tech spec. This car is being built for the streets.

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If its going to be an all out street car then why are you caging it like a race car ?? And why did you cut the whole front end ?? You simply have no idea what you are doing and you sir have the biggest ego Ive seen any car guy have, you building a ticking time bomb and don't care to listen to others.. You didn't have to cut the frontend to fit the Ford engine. The OEM firewall could have been modified to fit the tranny without completely cutting it and making a wrong square tube firewall that doesn't have the integrity to hold the front end like you doing. Race cars have the front end tubing welded to the cage NOT the firewall. I feel really sorry for you and your ignorance towards your build. Forget you swapping a Ford garbage engine in a DSM, its past beyond the engine choice. There are so many wrong in this car that will make you remember all of us down the road.. For your sake I hope you don't crash, cause a tragedy and end up in prison for involuntary manslaughter due to an illegal car been driven in the streets...

Man why wont you listen to anybody? Everybody here is trying to tell you that this is not safe at all. Their not trying to bash you or the fact that you want to build what your building. They have your best interest in mind. Theres chassis rules for a reason, it doesnt matter if its a "street car" or not. Just because your driving it on the street and not a track, doesnt make the chassis rules different. Im not gonna say what you have done wrong, because everybody has already pointed that out. Theres nothing wrong in admitting that you got to far in on something. I can GUARANTEE that everybody on this site has had to throw in the towel at some point on some build early in the game. Its a learning experience. But you need to realize that if you plan on taking this on the street, your not only putting your life at risk, but the lives on other ppl on the road. How are you gonna feel if you take this thing on the road and if comes apart and you kill somebody? And for what, because you couldnt just admit that you did something wrong? You need to put your ego aside and just listen to ppl. I hope you realize this before somebody gets hurt.

This is nothing new. We've been telling him this for months. It's a broken record at this point. We can only hope this monstrosity just bows in when he goes to drop the BB in. Otherwise, you can bet the state police will be all over this one. You'd be looking at a lot worse than involuntary man if you see this through and kill someone. You've had dozens of people tell you just how unsafe it is. It's reckless to continue and and you just dont care. I know just who to forward this thread and all it's pictures to. In fact he lives around Getzville, which I believe is right around your area. I can garuntee you this will never see the street without an inspection by the state police/DMV. If you put it on the street anyway, and get pulled over, you'll be in for a world of pain. They'll junk it that night.