dsmcurse said:

your a richard man, why you wanna talk a buncha S on this guys attempt to do a custom rwd swap? And then talk as if rwd is a joke? The very best cars are rear wheel drive, duh. And what makes you the exception? What do you do thats so badass? Huh? What have you done thats so killer? Swap a direct bolt-on 16g turbo in place of a 14b? Give the guy a break. I think alot of you guys should give dude a break. Who knows? Maybe this thing will turn out to be an absolute beast!

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^ive seen worse come resirected back from the grave^

lets just keep are fingers crossed

dsmcurse said:

your a richard man, why you wanna talk a buncha S on this guys attempt to do a custom rwd swap? And then talk as if rwd is a joke? The very best cars are rear wheel drive, duh. And what makes you the exception? What do you do thats so badass? Huh? What have you done thats so killer? Swap a direct bolt-on 16g turbo in place of a 14b? Give the guy a break. I think alot of you guys should give dude a break. Who knows? Maybe this thing will turn out to be an absolute beast!

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If you know anything about this kind of work than you you would cut him no slack either. Here is the thing, do something of this nature, which is a complete abortion of a build and then post it on a forum of thousands and this is what will happen. It doesn't take a rocket scientist to figure out that this will be never be a beast, it is ruined, it will never be safe to drive again.

^ my best guess.... Finished either.

Or

You can try to do yard art, metal sculpture work that requires no explanation.

dsmcurse said:

your a richard man, why you wanna talk a buncha S on this guys attempt to do a custom rwd swap? And then talk as if rwd is a joke? The very best cars are rear wheel drive, duh. And what makes you the exception? What do you do thats so badass? Huh? What have you done thats so killer? Swap a direct bolt-on 16g turbo in place of a 14b? Give the guy a break. I think alot of you guys should give dude a break. Who knows? Maybe this thing will turn out to be an absolute beast!

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Lol why don't you let him come over and convert your turd to rwd. I don't think my dsm is anything special other than being really nice and low mile.

What are your major accomplishments besides swinging from the ball sack of the guy who built half of your car?

I for one stand to say that this should be a required thread to read for newbies, especially those that come in with unrealistic goals without the skills to match. It's hard enough converting a dsm to RWD, but to claim capable of chassis work and then fail so miserably.......

There's a lot of lessons to learn in here. First of which is when to throw in the towel and call it quits. Nothing about the design is safe, as already established. Since you seem so determined to see this car on the road, one can only hope that you'll be the only individual injured when the damn thing falls apart driving down the road. I hate to turn on the news and see some little kids crying over their parents demise at the hands of a reckless individual spurred on by some twisted and ass-backwards sense of pride. The repercussions your actions can have on this particular community alone can be disasterous.

Frankly, I rarely have an scathing remarks to make about anyone on this forum. Hell I'd like to think I even get along with a lot of you. You sir are a fool. Either bring the chassis to a reputable fabrication shop to see if they can fix this disaster, or junk it. I don't care how much you want to say "I told you all I could build a race car." It's not worth your life and it sure as Hell isn't worth the life of anyone else in the public at large.

Seamus said:

Lol why don't you let him come over and convert your turd to rwd. I don't think my dsm is anything special other than being really nice and low mile.

What are your major accomplishments besides swinging from the ball sack of the guy who built half of your car?

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Laughs out loud, very funny. What are my major accomplishments? Well I built my own engine, rigged my own car (yes i did out-source some fab-work and a ecu tune from my friend whoop dee do) and guess what? It clears over 600HP to all four's everysingle day jr. Would you like me to post a link of a $200+ thousand dollar jet boat I rigged that made it into a magazine? Aluminum Boat Manufacturer - Thunder Jet | Aluminum Boat Manufacterer as the lead rigger their for about 7 years I've built more expensive equipment than you could ever dream to touch son. Oh and my "turd" id be willing to bet it has less miles than yours at 81,xxx. So besides building competion use jet boats for Hells Canyon or huge off shore boats, I've accomplished MY OWN CAR BUILD that has been more sucsesful than any car you got. Go to the official mustang dyno facebook page, I'M THE ONE AND ONLY FOUR CYLINDER ON THEIR YA LIL SMARTA$$. Yep, that's right, my turd car that I only "half" built is on the mustang dyno facebook page amoungst nothin but Ferraris, Lambos, Vipers and GTR's. Don't believe me? Go to mustang dyno facebook page and look for your self, all you'll see is quarter million dollar cars than my "turd". This thread isn't about my car or some fancy a$$ rich guys jet-boat that I rigged. Its about dudes attempt to go rwd. Yes the thing is a bit of a smoke show, but ya know what? At least the balls are there to attempt it in a huge popular online forum veiwed by the public, id say dude has more balls than you. Even if he don't have all the skills and knowledge, at least he's trying, and in the end, when he figures out this first chassis attempt is F'd, and goes for round 2 on another 1G chassis, I'm sure he'll nail it just right and have a great custom DSM. Even if it takes 2 or 3 dsm chassis's to get there, I have faith in the dude. Look at how commited he has been already. To you sir, and the rest of you guys, all I'm sayin is cut the guy some slack, least he's trying WHICH IS A F*CK OF A LOT MORE THAN I CAN SAY ABOUT HALF YOU LIL 16g "TURBO SWAPPERS"

Would you feel comfortable having him rig up one of your $200k jet boats without knowing his ass from his elbow about jet boats? There's a difference between trying to swap turbos without prior knowledge and skill and trying to fab up a complete rwd chassis. Seriously, as talented as you are you should know that. There's nothing wrong with trying to learn how to fabricate custom parts, etc. There is something wrong with diving head first into project without the proper skills, the end result being likely injury and possible death for him and others.

You've clearly done a lot with your dsm curse, and we all have to start somewhere, but chassis work is very particular. It requires excellent welding skills, a firm grasp of physics and metallurgy, and years of practice. He's not welding up a chromoly crash bar, he cut the entire front end and firewall off and intends on using subpar materials to try and form one of the most important sections of his car. Now he wants to cut the whole floor out too? When can you personally sit down and figure out that this project has gotten so far out of hand it's become deadly?

Yes, I see the same hack-job that you guys see, yes I see the exact same failure points and safety hazzards as you guys, I understand it takes a special touch to do this kinda work. But I also understand that the guys that are so completley badass and do have that special touch, THEY HAD TO START SOMEWHERE! All I'm sayin is "who knows, maybe dude will be a badass fab guy in the next 5years?" Its just that I see a lot of hating and $hit talkin on here (yes I openly admit to doin this too) but for some reason as I see a lot of you guys just flat out picking on the guy like a bully in jr high school (even tho the chassis attempt is jr high school quality) it makes me wanna be the "nerd-protector" so to speak and kinda say some words on dudes behave. I see the project has gone terribly wrong, but I can also see what his "dream vision" is. I also see that this first attempt was and is a learner step. I think guy needs to get another one and start over, I think he coulda left a lot of the car intact and not been so cut happy. Let's just continue to be supportive and respectfully tell him he's gonna need to start over. I can almost garentee one day he'll have it running, even if its 5years from now, I promise I can totally see this guys determination shine through. I appluad at his attempt, even if it is all smoked up. Least he gained the experience from attempt one, even if it takes all the way until attempt four, I'm sure he'll get it. The determination is there, and some times that's all you need. Faith moves mountains DON'T FORGET IT

You need a lot more than determination to do chassis fab. Yes they had to start somewhere. That somewhere was working with some of the best fabricators they knew and learning under them for years. Some began with WELL developed welding skills and took the time to understand why certain shapes and materials are more successful. It takes a special gift to just pick up a welder and successfully design a well built and realistically strong chassis with little prior experience.

I can understand wanting to stay positive for the guy but instead of fueling his drive to continue working on a project that has gotten far beyond any of his current skill and knowledge to fix, perhaps the better alternative would be to encourage him to take the next few years to read and possibly look for a chassis fab shop to volunteer/work at part time to improve his skills. I'm also not impressed with his welds and would think a few welding classes and more practice would benefit.

If he wants a rwd big block dsm, so be it. He needs to build it right. He currently cannot design a safe chassis, nor does he have the welding skill necessary to ensure it. I'm not some hot shot pro, but even I can see when someone is pretending that Everest is just another molehill.

I respect your response's and completley agree, some people are just naturaly good at some Things. Like how one guy is just natural gifted at guitar and can play with no training, or how one guy is just so natural good at baseball and can hit any ball thrown. My friend alex is natural gifted at fab, he can cut & weld like a true pro (why I out sourced my fab work to him) and then there is some people that can't play guitar no matter how many lessons they receive or the guy that can't play ball to save his life but every year goes to the try outs just be shot down. There's something to be said about effort. I respect an honest effort and at least you can give the guy that much, reconize his honest effort.

I have a Honda CRX friend that wanted a top mount turbo header (alex offered to build it) but he insisted on building it himself. The material used wasn't the right kind, the welds weren't even tig they were wire feed with no gas (yea you could imagine how pretty it is) the thing turned out ugly, BUT, he got it done and installed on his car. I respect the effort put forth as I've never built my own top mount turbo header or any other mannifold for that matter, but next time he builds a turbo header it will be a lot nicer due to the experience learned from round one.

The first semi truck clutch I ever did by myself I didn't have the cross shaft properley positioned at the clutch brake and release bearing and I had to pull the truck tranny back out to correct the problem. The live and learn lesson its what's most valuable for this guy.

Totally agreed that this first attempt is an obortion. But I do respect the attempt. Takes a lot of guts to take a saw-zall to a decent DSM and go to town (some might say lack of brains but whatever) and speaking of decent DSM's, has any one looked at his profile and seen his pictures? Looks like he has a pretty damn clean 2G eclipse to me. I like the water/meth rigged under the hood so the line is "short route" to deliver the boost juice to the engine. Looks like he has some skills judging by his white 2G.

OP, agreed, you need to chalk this one up as a learning curve and find another chassis to modify. Don't give up on it tho man, I see where your wantin this thing to go, the vision is there, ya just gotta exicute this puppy a lot. Safer than this, for ovbious reasons this first attempt has gone wrong, I suggest getting another 1G and starting over. Don't be so cut happy and take your time carefully planned out moves everytime is what needs to be done.

Funny story, I know this guy Adam, years ago he took a perfectly fine 2Gb eclipse gsx and custom installed the engine in the trunk with a gst tranny at an attempt to build a mid engine eclipse mr2 so to speak.m he had a custom firewall where the rear veiw mirror still looked through, had the axles installed, custom motor mounts fab, engine bolted into the trunk completley, BUT couldn't figure out the shift tower to tranny cable differance, couldn't get it to shift correctly and finally scrapped it and threw in the towel just like every one told him to do. Well, fast foraward a few years to now and this guy Adam is back at it again with the experience and knowledge gained from the first attempt. And guess what? He has a 97 eclipse gsx right now that is twin engine 4g63 with gst engine front and rear. The thing is gonna make twice the tourqe as any other "built" engine. Adam isn't a member of dsmtuners so there's no screen name to link to, but as inspiration to the OP, I'm gonna go out of my way and get pictures of adams twin engine eclipse just to show what some determination can do. Even if it comes with years of trial and error

dsmcurse said:

Laughs out loud, very funny. What are my major accomplishments? Well I built my own engine, rigged my own car (yes i did out-source some fab-work and a ecu tune from my friend whoop dee do) and guess what? It clears over 600HP to all four's everysingle day jr. Would you like me to post a link of a $200+ thousand dollar jet boat I rigged that made it into a magazine? Aluminum Boat Manufacturer - Thunder Jet | Aluminum Boat Manufacterer as the lead rigger their for about 7 years I've built more expensive equipment than you could ever dream to touch son. Oh and my "turd" id be willing to bet it has less miles than yours at 81,xxx. So besides building competion use jet boats for Hells Canyon or huge off shore boats, I've accomplished MY OWN CAR BUILD that has been more sucsesful than any car you got. Go to the official mustang dyno facebook page, I'M THE ONE AND ONLY FOUR CYLINDER ON THEIR YA LIL SMARTA$$. Yep, that's right, my turd car that I only "half" built is on the mustang dyno facebook page amoungst nothin but Ferraris, Lambos, Vipers and GTR's. Don't believe me? Go to mustang dyno facebook page and look for your self, all you'll see is quarter million dollar cars than my "turd". This thread isn't about my car or some fancy a$$ rich guys jet-boat that I rigged. Its about dudes attempt to go rwd. Yes the thing is a bit of a smoke show, but ya know what? At least the balls are there to attempt it in a huge popular online forum veiwed by the public, id say dude has more balls than you. Even if he don't have all the skills and knowledge, at least he's trying, and in the end, when he figures out this first chassis attempt is F'd, and goes for round 2 on another 1G chassis, I'm sure he'll nail it just right and have a great custom DSM. Even if it takes 2 or 3 dsm chassis's to get there, I have faith in the dude. Look at how commited he has been already. To you sir, and the rest of you guys, all I'm sayin is cut the guy some slack, least he's trying WHICH IS A F*CK OF A LOT MORE THAN I CAN SAY ABOUT HALF YOU LIL 16g "TURBO SWAPPERS"

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Cool story dude!

I defiantly am too old to get into a dick measuring contest with some dork who's 6k turd is his pride and joy, but I sell exotic cars for a living so I get to touch and joy ride expensive things that ill never own just like you. Btw a sell a handful of boats every year too and 200k ain't shit. That's a life raft as far as boats go.

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OP, agreed, you need to chalk this one up as a learning curve and find another chassis to modify. Don't give up on it tho man, I see where your wantin this thing to go, the vision is there, ya just gotta exicute this puppy a lot. Safer than this, for ovbious reasons this first attempt has gone wrong, I suggest getting another 1G and starting over. Don't be so cut happy and take your time carefully planned out moves everytime is what needs to be done.

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The thing is, The OP had people trying to help him in this thread at first. Then the OP went against the path that everyone was trying to steer him towards. I even tried to show the OP a pic of what he could do in order to salvage what he has going on (post 178) by going full tube chassis. I'm all down for one trying to do something on their own and do crazy builds. It's just sometimes things get to a point to where one should step back and see that one needs help or that things just are not safe.

The rate that he is going now, the OP is going to be the next "Spanish "tuner"" that was an internet flop threadSpanish "tuner". Enjoy - Mitsubishi Lancer Register Forum where people from all sorts of auto forums were coming to see the abomination of a 2g build. The guy even made his own clutch



I for one would have liked to see the OPs build done (right), however, to continue down the path that this is going, it is not going to be done right. Yeah everyone needs to start somewhere, but something like this, should have been started on a go kart first.

dsmcurse said:

Laughs out loud, very funny. What are my major accomplishments? Well I built my own engine, rigged my own car (yes i did out-source some fab-work and a ecu tune from my friend whoop dee do) and guess what? It clears over 600HP to all four's everysingle day jr. Would you like me to post a link of a $200+ thousand dollar jet boat I rigged that made it into a magazine? Aluminum Boat Manufacturer - Thunder Jet | Aluminum Boat Manufacterer as the lead rigger their for about 7 years I've built more expensive equipment than you could ever dream to touch son. Oh and my "turd" id be willing to bet it has less miles than yours at 81,xxx. So besides building competion use jet boats for Hells Canyon or huge off shore boats, I've accomplished MY OWN CAR BUILD that has been more sucsesful than any car you got. Go to the official mustang dyno facebook page, I'M THE ONE AND ONLY FOUR CYLINDER ON THEIR YA LIL SMARTA$$. Yep, that's right, my turd car that I only "half" built is on the mustang dyno facebook page amoungst nothin but Ferraris, Lambos, Vipers and GTR's. Don't believe me? Go to mustang dyno facebook page and look for your self, all you'll see is quarter million dollar cars than my "turd". This thread isn't about my car or some fancy a$$ rich guys jet-boat that I rigged. Its about dudes attempt to go rwd. Yes the thing is a bit of a smoke show, but ya know what? At least the balls are there to attempt it in a huge popular online forum veiwed by the public, id say dude has more balls than you. Even if he don't have all the skills and knowledge, at least he's trying, and in the end, when he figures out this first chassis attempt is F'd, and goes for round 2 on another 1G chassis, I'm sure he'll nail it just right and have a great custom DSM. Even if it takes 2 or 3 dsm chassis's to get there, I have faith in the dude. Look at how commited he has been already. To you sir, and the rest of you guys, all I'm sayin is cut the guy some slack, least he's trying WHICH IS A F*CK OF A LOT MORE THAN I CAN SAY ABOUT HALF YOU LIL 16g "TURBO SWAPPERS"

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How many attempts would you deem acceptable before he gets himself killed? Since you're so supportive of his project, I say you should ride passenger when it's finished.

There's a huge difference between swapping turbos and building what is essentially a steel cage that could potentially go more than 30mph or even 40mph that'll break apart spectacularly. There's also a difference between blind ambition and intellectually capable. Most of us here are telling him as it is, albeit with some smart remarks but the message is still clear. He just doesn't have the capability for it.

Yes everyone started somewhere. Majority of us started small. Stuff that won't put your life or others on the line for example. Do you think a med student learns how to do open heart surgery by handing him a scalpel and patient and telling him to have a go at it? And when he fails do you blame the people that supported his attempt or the med student for not seeing he was way out of his league?

DSM's 4 life said:

I was asking for help over the summer gabtech said he would give me the names of a few books he never did... I got the book chassi engineering and I'm going to implement a lot of the knowledge I'm going to be cutting the entire floor from the car.

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I gave up dude, numerous times I tried telling you, like I said Ive been working with race cars for years, have very close friends who are chassis fabricators, one of them was a chassis designer for chassis engineering, tried my best to tell you what to do and what not to do, you never wanted to listen, even was criticize about my advice to you, so I simply gave up and stepped back. Some members started criticizing me for my words, members who don't have a clue about this type of build when I'm also building a RWD DSM myself, so my words had weight on them. To be honest, I lost the interest of spending my time guiding you towards a better build, sorry if Im been rude, but I dont care anymore.

and the build continues.... just bought 55' of steel tube

DSM's 4 life said:

and the build continues.... just bought 55' of steel tube

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I see by the 90 degree angles on the end of the side bars there that you still don't have a clue on this. Ruined ruined ruined ruined.

Why? Pride? "Haters?"

What could possibly compel you to try and keep polishing this turd? Not gotten enough sh*t on your hands yet? Like the smell?

This is bizarre.

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I see by the 90 degree angles on the end of the side bars there that you still don't have a clue on this. Ruined ruined ruined ruined.

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I did this so the side bar would pass through my elbow and shoulder the bar was to low when I went right to the floor.

DSM's 4 life said:

I did this so the side bar would pass through my elbow and shoulder the bar was to low when I went right to the floor.

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That 90degree in the pass side bar is wrong, wont pass inspection. The side bar has to be welded to the floor. Told you many times, fix that dude along with the firewall square tubing, that square rubing wont hold the front end right. Like I said, its your project but listen to us and do it right...

DSM's 4 life said:

I did this so the side bar would pass through my elbow and shoulder the bar was to low when I went right to the floor.

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When's it going to click that just because you've rationalized it does not mean it's correct, safe or "good enough?"

I am not rationalizing anything I never said I would be taking my car to the track. I could care less if i pass tech spec. This car is being built for the streets.

Why are you caging (I use that loosely) a car being built for the street? This thing has the potential to kill you, your passengers, unsuspecting motorists and innocent bystanders when your attempt at an engine cradle parts ways with what's left of the unibody.

The cage is to hold the uni body together from the weight / torque of the engine.

With your welds and your cage "design"? Oh boy...You don't plan on coming to my area with that anytime soon are you? Let me know so I can stay home.