im trading my car for a gst but something is wrong

1997eclipse rs · Nov 15, 2013

okay i have a eclipse rs 1996 and im trading for a 1997 eclipse gst
this is what he says is wrong with it

1997 Mitsubishi Eclipse GS-T. This car has the 4G63T motor, 2.0L automatic with aftermarket turbo. The car had timing issues and the valves were bent so a different head was put on and I could not get it to run. Hear these cars are very touchy when setting the cam timing to the crank and oil pump. May just be a timing issue. This was my sons car and he has gone off to college and I no longer need the car or have time to mess with it. The car is sold with another turbo and exhaust manifold plus some interior switches and panels. Before the timing issue the car ran great and was very fun to drive. Any questions please call, text or email.

he says it runs rough could it be the crank angle sensor or? i just want to know before i go and buy something that might be a money pit.....

thanks in advanced

c2ypt1c · Nov 15, 2013

Sounds like he botched the timing job and possibly bent the valves again. Does the motor turn over or does the starter just whine?

EDIT: ah just saw that it runs rough...If the crank or cam sensor is bad it wouldn't start at all. Sounds like the timing belt is off a tooth or two, which is an easy fix...unless the vales are bent.

1997eclipse rs · Nov 15, 2013

as far as i know he said it starts runs and you can drive allite ways but he said to atleast tow it home im going there tommorow to look at it and hopefully bring it home!

but if the valves were bent it wouldnt start still right?

crimsondragon · Nov 15, 2013

Depends on how bent but the valves wouldn't seal right and will have less pressure on TDC

1997eclipse rs · Nov 16, 2013

idk he said that they were bent he replaced the head and everything with it but just said that it runs rough

Kirkamus · Nov 16, 2013

steer clear honestly

aftermarket turbo means hes done other work and now with multiple errors
take ## drivable car and drive it over a towable project

Bo0sTdTsI · Nov 16, 2013

In my opinion it all depends on what you're willing to get yourself into. Me myself I got my car in not running order, had to swap steering column minor electrical issues and I wouldn't have it any other way due to the fact that I overcame the problems and learned a lot of things about the car especially since the motor and trans were no good and a bunch o parts missing, it really all depends on what you want. If he is willing to trade for a n/t I'd trade it in a heart bet since not many do that now a days.

1997eclipse rs · Nov 16, 2013

i am wanting to do that i just have a job and my dads v10 i cant afford the gas in it i just want to make sure its nothing like a crankwalk or something like that

bduran1220 · Nov 16, 2013

Sounds like future headache to me, If i was to trade my rs running for a gst non running id want the gst stock so I kno what to mod for repairs
But thats me...

crash89 · Nov 16, 2013

It doesnt hurt to go look at it anyways. See what other things are done, rust, interior. Just check it out. If it is still mostly stock with that aftermarket turbo and doesnt look haggard as hell why not. A timing job really isnt that hard if you read carefully and take your time.

Just go look at it.. If you think its going to be too much of a headache dont go through with it.

skydiveant · Nov 16, 2013

I would not do it. Someone else's headache. If it was a easy fix he would have done it and made money off the car but since it is f**ed. He is trying to get a easy way out. Also if his son is in college and does not need the car why would he take yours. Look at the facts he changed the head and did all that hard work and now this is more problems. All that means is ongoing problems. I would so not do it. :notgood:

crash89 · Nov 16, 2013

skydiveant said:
I would not do it. Someone else's headache. If it was a easy fix he would have done it and made money off the car but since it is f**ed. He is trying to get a easy way out. Also if his son is in college and does not need the car why would he take yours. Look at the facts he changed the head and did all that hard work and now this is more problems. All that means is ongoing problems. I would so not do it.

Or there is an issue because he didnt know what he was doing and tried without doing a little research. This issue could very well be just a tooth off on the timing..

Ive done it before.. Changed cams one time, timing belt, valve cover and cams were the only things touched. Timed it, started it. Idled and ran like ass.. Had to work though so I limped it there and back. Checked the timing. Off a tooth. Retimed it, ran like a dream.

crimsondragon · Nov 16, 2013

1997eclipse rs said:
i am wanting to do that i just have a job and my dads v10 i cant afford the gas in it i just want to make sure its nothing like a crankwalk or something like that

If you can't afford gas for a V10 what makes you think you can afford it afterwards when you have to put the car down for major repairs ON TOP of costs of parts for this car? Pass it up.

1997eclipse rs · Nov 16, 2013

after i sell my car ill have extra money to fix it hopefully you are all right about it being off a tooth or two

c2ypt1c · Nov 16, 2013

Maybe he'll let you check the timing marks:
http://www.dsmtuners.com/forums/art...-1g-2g-quick-timing-belt-alignment-check.html
Basically, when the screwdriver is at it's highest point (TDC) of the compression stroke, the exhaust and intake cam marks should be at 3 and 9 o'clock, respectively, and parallel to the head surface.

If the price is right and it's just the timing, I'd go for it.

Tyeler18 · Nov 16, 2013

Botched timing job. Honestly the only way to go into purchasing this vehicle is to look at it like this- There's currently an issue with the most vital part of the engine, you COULD potentially be looking at a full rebuild to get this thing back on the road. It'll still run with bent valves, but it'll run rough. Depending if it did bend valves, and how bad the timing was off you very easily have punched a hole in a piston- which could lead to further destruction.

I would put money on the head needing replaced at minimum again, worst case scenario you'll need a whole new long block.

1997eclipse rs · Nov 16, 2013

he already did replace the head though and thats when it started running rough

Tyeler18 · Nov 16, 2013

Yea, meaning he botched the timing job again.

c2ypt1c · Nov 16, 2013

Pop the valve cover and wiggle the rockers. If any are loose, bent valves.

1997eclipse rs · Nov 16, 2013

well im not even worried about he just wants to sell it so i guess when i sell mine ill buy one haha

dans95dsm · Nov 16, 2013

my car had bent valves so i new what i was getting my self into,
and it also came with many other botched jobs but i wanted the car.
now it runs great

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