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i see a lot of bitching back and forth about race cars vs street cars and a 16g. i can tell you from experience that my car with an evo3 16g went 10.81@125 on slicks with all steel body panels, glass, and full leather interior and a race weight with me in it of 3115lbs and full exhaust out the back. you have to have a good clean tune, a better than average 60ft, a transmission that shifts, and parts that work efficiently together. hell for that run i only had 264/272 cams in, this was on e85. i just recently went 10.64@127 but i no longer have rear seats in it mostly because they are useless to begin with and the front seats are now race seats, and a few other small changes. i flow about 42lbs/min as it sits, this is a stock bottom end and stock head ports with NO clean up. i didnt run these times my first time out and have been working at it for a while, but as you start figuring out what works and what doesnt and get seat time its really not as hard as you would think.
 
Well if it so damn easy then u guys should do it.. Shoot just go to town with a plasma cutter on an auto car right? That's all takes.. Buy some used slicks... Must be so easy that's why everyone does it right? Oh wait... You guys are real damn fast sitting behind your desk... Talk is cheap guys..

What's cheap about a car that went 10.80 on my second pass ever on qtp's? A car that I drive every day because it is my only car 300mi away from home, pullng a motorcycle trailer on the weekends so I can go race. Lol, if I wanted a race car, I'd have one. It's really not that hard. I wouldn't use a plasma cutter though. Leaves nasty bugger cuts.

Anyway, imho, if it can't race in dse at the shootout, it's not a street car.
 
Anyway, imho, if it can't race in dse at the shootout, it's not a street car.
You just might see Tyler's car in DSE next year. Afterall, it's only an exhaust system, some carpet, and a few pieces of interior plastic away from transforming a full blown race car into a full blown street car. ;)
 
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i see a lot of bitching back and forth about race cars vs street cars and a 16g. i can tell you from experience that my car with an evo3 16g went 10.81@125 on slicks with all steel body panels, glass, and full leather interior and a race weight with me in it of 3115lbs and full exhaust out the back. you have to have a good clean tune, a better than average 60ft, a transmission that shifts, and parts that work efficiently together. hell for that run i only had 264/272 cams in, this was on e85. i just recently went 10.64@127 but i no longer have rear seats in it mostly because they are useless to begin with and the front seats are now race seats, and a few other small changes. i flow about 42lbs/min as it sits, this is a stock bottom end and stock head ports with NO clean up. i didnt run these times my first time out and have been working at it for a while, but as you start figuring out what works and what doesnt and get seat time its really not as hard as you would think.

Impressive what size motor and what compresdion
 
Stock motor, stock head ports.

Any idea on whp? Between that weight and traps I would expect high 400s. Unless of course there are a few tricks to get rid of rotational mass and wheel bearings to keep he drivetrain loss down
 
My guess is 450ish but haven't dynoed it's current setup. No tricks it's still a street car and I actually have a dragging rear break right now LOL. I have previously dynoed over 404/398 but have made quite a few changes since then.
 
My guess is 450ish but haven't dynoed it's current setup. No tricks it's still a street car and I actually have a dragging rear break right now LOL. I have previously dynoed over 404/398 but have made quite a few changes since then.

What do you think your setup would do on a small 16g?
 
I don't even know what a small 16g flows but doing the math based on what I'm flowing and estimated hp would give a good guess of what I could do on a small. E3 is rated for 44lbs/min and I log 42-43lbs/min so I'm seeing full flow and a reasonable hp estimate based on weight et and trap would be 450-475hp. So 11-12hp per 1lb/min for whp.
 
I don't even know what a small 16g flows but doing the math based on what I'm flowing and estimated hp would give a good guess of what I could do on a small. E3 is rated for 44lbs/min and I log 42-43lbs/min so I'm seeing full flow and a reasonable hp estimate based on weight et and trap would be 450-475hp. So 11-12hp per 1lb/min for whp.

Ahh i gotcha. I think the small is rated around 40lbs.

Generally what is the drive line loss with a AWD car?
 
So I tuned all of the knock out of my tune and adjusted my mafcomp using Johns recommendation.

I also realized after all of this tuning (over 12 pulls, didn't realize I had to pull THAT much timing) that I didn't have the MBC up to full where I want it and the laptop died after only the 1st pull. Lots of knock in that so I'll be starting again tomorrow.

So what other things do I need to pay attention to? I do appreciate everything.

Update, I was told I had the big16g, turns out it is a small16g, so maybe 41lb/min is better?
 

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You are going to be on the last cell. I wish we had a map sensor and AFR to go off of on this. Pretty soon you will only be tuning that last cell unless you mess with the load scaling.
 

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Why do you still have adjustments in the sliders for fuel and timing? Didn't we suggest zeroing them out and only using the DA tables?

If you're seeing 41 lbs/min on a small 16g, then your airflow isn't calibrated properly.

Having at least a wideband (coughcough) would be really helpful so I knew I wasn't just looking at a bunch of calculated numbers.
 
I'll eventually get to wiring that wideband in. I don't have a lot of spare time and this is my daily driver.

How do I access the DA tables?

And I can't open that .eda file. Says "Incompatible file version while reading ByteRecord"

I did some more pulls today and I've really dropped the timing down a lot.
 
I did try to open it with ecmlink and that error code is what I get every time.

I'm researching just how hard it is to splice the wideband into the ECM.
 
Laptop started to die and I couldnt find the displayed wideband.

Dunno what I'm doing wrong.

I also copied all the date that John had posted earlier and zero'd out the timing/fuel in the other window and copied all of his suggestions into DA.

So i take it that I will be adjusting my timing/fuel through DA now?
 

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I see the AEMWB in the log you posted. It's in the far right column.


So i take it that I will be adjusting my timing/fuel through DA now?

Correct.


Something weird is going on with the car at idle. Your coolant temp is bouncing all over the place, your wideband is stuck around .18v, and some other values are off.

Are you sure you wired the correct wideband wire into the correct ECU wire?
Is your MAFT zeroed out?
Do you know if your coolant temp sensor is good?

Try zeroing out the MAF Comp sliders and redoing the idle tune after/while watching this:
http://www.ecmtuning.com/demos/fueltrim.html

Any particular reason you're targeting lean burn at idle? If not, I'd change that back (and the cruise, while you're at it) until you get the car running right.
 
Thanks for the tip and the link.

I was aiming for the leaner burn at idle/cruise to help with MPGs. I drive this car a lot and the best mpg I've gotten was 25mpg at 70mph. My latest trip netted me 20mpg.

Considering this I average around 240-250 miles per tank.

I drive over 300 on just a single trip so the money for the premium adds up quickly.
 
It is better to get whp because AWD loses power through the driveline. Your numbers are consistent with others. I made 328 whp with a big 16g 550cc injectors and Magnus intake and HKS cams with dsmlink v3. The problem with the 16g is the leak of pull in the top of the rpm range. I upgraded to a 20g turbo and with nothing else made 382 whp on pump gas and the top end pulls like a big boy turbo. Giving 20 percent loss through the driveline 328whp would translate to 395 crank horse and 382 wheel is around 480 crank. So your in the right ball park. My recommendation is ditch the 16g because the 20g doesn't lose steam at higher rpms. I couldn't believe the difference in power.
 
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