boost97gst said:

Weird how these dsms are dent MAGNETS right?? I too couldnt believe how many tiny dents i had everywhere until my paint/body guy showed me. Going with the silver/grey? Or is that still prep work im seeing?
I went with lighter grey with light metallics in it and was pleased with the results. Just dont know what color rims i want. So i murdered out the current ones with plastidip , it actually looks pretty good.

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I stuck with the factory pearl silver whole car. Yeah it was still being prepped.

KT, can you explain your "custom turned race balance shaft" a little bit? Are you still running a shaft in there with the normal belt drive to it, or what? Just got done reading through your dyno results thread - awesome.

We're on Boost said:

KT, can you explain your "custom turned race balance shaft" a little bit? Are you still running a shaft in there with the normal belt drive to it, or what? Just got done reading through your dyno results thread - awesome.

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Its similar to the ams race shaft. I just took the shaft that connects to the oil pump gear to a tool and die machinist near me and a picture of the ams shaft and he machined it identical. I deleted the front balance shaft all together.

After a few failed oil pumps I gave considerable consideration to ams theory of why the stubby shaft may be the culprit of the shorten oil pump life. AMS 4G63 Race Balance Shaft Eliminator Kit to date no issues what so ever and I run this car hard just about every time I drive it can't help it the power fascinate me

jmartinez1228 said:

Kel haven't been on here much to keep up with your build but Congrats! on the record bro.

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Thanks

keltalon said:

Its similar to the ams race shaft. I just took the shaft that connects to the oil pump gear to a tool and die machinist near me and a picture of the ams shaft and he machined it identical. I deleted the front balance shaft all together.

After a few failed oil pumps I gave considerable consideration to ams theory of why the stubby shaft may be the culprit of the shorten oil pump life. AMS 4G63 Race Balance Shaft Eliminator Kit to date no issues what so ever and I run this car hard just about every time I drive it can't help it the power fascinate me

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Oh I think I get it. See if this is the right idea. What's different is how the lower shaft is handled, the one that is on the small gear of the oil pump. Most of the cheapo BS eliminator kits take that shaft out entirely and replace it with a little stub shaft, which could allow the oil pump gear to wobble a little bit, which is a bad idea. The way you are doing it, and the way the AMS kit and the GSC kit is made, you use a full length shaft there. It's just had the counterweight machined off of it.
Is that the idea?

We're on Boost said:

Oh I think I get it. See if this is the right idea. What's different is how the lower shaft is handled, the one that is on the small gear of the oil pump. Most of the cheapo BS eliminator kits take that shaft out entirely and replace it with a little stub shaft, which could allow the oil pump gear to wobble a little bit, which is a bad idea. The way you are doing it, and the way the AMS kit and the GSC kit is made, you use a full length shaft there. It's just had the counterweight machined off of it.
Is that the idea?

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Yep you got it. All this is theory since ams nor myself don't any have engineering data other than that it works for them and It is working for me! I think leaving the shaft in place on the pump gear stabilize the smaller driven it in the upper rmp range. You are going to hear mumbo jumbo about how many don't like the idea of the shaft spinning twice as fast as the crankshaft and you run a higher risk of balance shaft bearing failure or something to this effect ,true it does spins twice as fast but remember this , it spins twice as fast with no load on the balance shaft bearing what so ever and long as its getting oil from the pump that bearing will never fail. This is the main reason I am running the kiggly hla to keep necessary oil in the bottom part of the engine.

keltalon said:

I am running the kiggly hla to keep necessary oil in the bottom part of the engine.

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This could also be a plus point for ball-bearing turbos, versus plain bearing turbos. The BB units generally don't want as much oil flow as the plain bearing jobs, which leaves more flow available to the rest of the engine.

Hey that's another question actually. I've heard that PTE recommends unrestricted oil flow to their BB turbos, whereas Garrett (ala FP HTA) recommends oil restrictors to limit flow to their BB turbos. Now that the latest PTE BB units don't have water cooling, they might need the oil flow just to take heat away. "Air-cooled" they are calling it.
So I wonder what advice PTE gave you about this for your 6266, and how you are actually doing it.

We're on Boost said:

This could also be a plus point for ball-bearing turbos, versus plain bearing turbos. The BB units generally don't want as much oil flow as the plain bearing jobs, which leaves more flow available to the rest of the engine.

Hey that's another question actually. I've heard that PTE recommends unrestricted oil flow to their BB turbos, whereas Garrett (ala FP HTA) recommends oil restrictors to limit flow to their BB turbos. Now that the latest PTE BB units don't have water cooling, they might need the oil flow just to take heat away. "Air-cooled" they are calling it.
So I wonder what advice PTE gave you about this for your 6266, and how you are actually doing it.

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Well the hla only restrict oil to the lifters turbos fed off the head still get the normal oil pressure from the head. Here is the deal with pte not wanting you to add a restrictor is because they have already attached one to the turbo. One that has been tried and tested to work with their turbos in fact the restrictor is marked and if it appears that it has been tapered with warranty is void no questions asked. I have been running a fp black oil filter off the head to the turbo with no issues

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I have been running a fp black oil filter off the head to the turbo with no issues

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Ok, so coming from the head, then through the FP .030" restrictor, then through the built-in PTE restrictor on the turbo. Interesting. Now if I had endless time and unlimited research budget, I would put a temp sensor somewhere in the turbo oil drain line and log the temperature of the oil coming out of the turbo. But since I don't, I'll just keep tabs on your posts as usual, because I know that if there is any trouble - we will hear about it!

PTE actually told you to feed it off the head??? Thats contrary to everything ive heard. Im not familiar w their BB line though but i thought no matter what, OFH feed was the best. More consistent pressure and volume down there, right?

What does Michael recommend for their BB HTA turbos? Those are Garretts. OFH or Head?

boost97gst said:

PTE actually told you to feed it off the head??? Thats contrary to everything ive heard. Im not familiar w their BB line though but i thought no matter what, OFH feed was the best. More consistent pressure and volume down there, right?

What does Michael recommend for their BB HTA turbos? Those are Garretts. OFH or Head?

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PTE has both JB and BB turbos. How each one is fed is different for a reason.


BB off the head and JB off the OFH has always been the popular way to go with the two different type of bearing turbos.BB does not require all that pressure because the pressure from the OFH and over flow of oil will just make the ball bearings float and not do its job of allowing the shaft to spin without damaging itself or spinning properly!! Not the case with journal bearing turbos. Just make sure you have a proper sized feed and drain setup especially if you have a journal bearing turbo.

I get 100psi easy at my bottom end, done the oil port mod on my head, and the oil feed off the head maxes out at 30psi.

boost97gst said:

PTE actually told you to feed it off the head??? Thats contrary to everything ive heard. Im not familiar w their BB line though but i thought no matter what, OFH feed was the best. More consistent pressure and volume down there, right?

What does Michael recommend for their BB HTA turbos? Those are Garretts. OFH or Head?

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Yeah I have never fed any bb unit from the oil filter housing. In fact even with the fb black oil filter and a built-in .025 oil restrictor fed from the head was too much oil pressure for the comp units I was running. I have been pushing 30+ psi of boost on the 6266 fed from head daily driver and no signs of any issues. You may notice in this video at 21seconds that 945liter also fed his pte6266 unit from the head using the red fp oil filter.


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Had the beast painted

Good info Kel. Lookin like my car, just a bit lighter on the grey. Looks great so far.

Yeah here is a video of my crazy father in law talking junk after painting my car

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Damn that's sweet I cant wait til next year when I paint mine just about got the body where I want it, I love the silver.

iugrad92turbo said:

Damn that's sweet I cant wait til next year when I paint mine just about got the body where I want it, I love the silver.

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Wet sand and buff complete almost finished

I'm liking how clean/clear the headlights are the most

Next to never see that on a 1G

Did a hell of a job on it. Looks like it rolled off the showroom floor

For the record: your father in law is Fing AWESOME

quote " Im an ol man.....but i got essperience" hahahaha he seems really cool

boost97gst said:

Did a hell of a job on it. Looks like it rolled off the showroom floor

For the record: your father in law is Fing AWESOME

quote " Im an ol man.....but i got essperience" hahahaha he seems really cool

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Yeah that's my pops. We both are from Alabama the only difference is that he is from the deep country part of Alabama where they grow all of their own food! Lol

LandSpeed-DSM said:

I'm liking how clean/clear the headlights are the most

Next to never see that on a 1G

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Yeah I replaced the old ones with a new set. Lol

brother i will say this, i appreciate the time and efforrt you put in. never a ill word when some one attacks you. if you built engines i would buy one off you. great build

I will be replacing my old 550hp floor mats in a few days with new numbers engraved.

keltalon said:

I will be replacing my old 550hp floor mats in a few days with new numbers engraved.

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And I plan on taking those floor mats right off your hands because I plan on hitting 550 plus I need some floor mats!