gabytech said:

I used the wrong word, its not that certain bars are designed to fail. SFI cages aren't design to be rigid front to back, the front end as well as the rear end are design to not collapse into the cockpit area. The front end as well as the rear end tie points to the cockpit cage are design to "break" off the cockpit cage minimizing the danger of the the cage collapsing all together and any danger to the driver. Just like the Nascar incident the front end broke of the cage. In a rigid cage crashing into the wall at high speeds could squash the front end into the cockpit... I'm explaining what I understand from what my friend told me in my own words, I could call him up and help me write a professional and more deep explanation on the subject..

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While I cant say I believe that I'm also not gonna put the time into researching it as it doesn't pertain to my field. I just can't imagine any sanctioning body actually wanting the car to break apart I know some have crumple zones but I can't imagine breakage. That guarantee's there will be a fuel spill not to mention once the damaged part of the car "breaks" off the driver is now fully exposed to debris and other hazards. How do they guarantee the part of the car comes off the same way no matter what the accident is like? If they hit something head on and the front breaks off with no where to go doesn't it then come into the passenger compartment?

I guess I just have a hard time believing those solutions are the safest ones possible.

In a front end collision our cage won't fail because of load paths and triangulation. A hit from any point in the cage get disbursed through the entire chassis. We don't have to worry about it coming into the passenger compartment because it won't.

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While I cant say I believe that I'm also not gonna put the time into researching it as it doesn't pertain to my field. I just can't imagine any sanctioning body actually wanting the car to break apart I know some have crumple zones but I can't imagine breakage. That guarantee's there will be a fuel spill not to mention once the damaged part of the car "breaks" off the driver is now fully exposed to debris and other hazards. How do they guarantee the part of the car comes off the same way no matter what the accident is like? If they hit something head on and the front breaks off with no where to go doesn't it then come into the passenger compartment?

I guess I just have a hard time believing those solutions are the safest ones possible.

In a front end collision our cage won't fail because of load paths and triangulation. A hit from any point in the cage get disbursed through the entire chassis. We don't have to worry about it coming into the passenger compartment because it won't.

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I'll call my friend who was a engineer at Chassis Engineering Inc and ask him to elaborate on the subject so I can give you a more detailed explanation, take into consideration I'm not a chassis builder and I'm explaining it in my own words what Ive learned talking to my friend.. Like I said, Im probably using the wrong word, it might have a professional term that aint fail or break..

Colt4G63 also said:

The OP has a point; you could always build a full tube chassis from scratch, and just pin the sheet metal on to it for decoration, and to keep rain and birdsh@t off the driver. It's only metal you can always fix it.

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I agree with this. OP, you have two options at this point to complete your project at hand and both of them REQUIRE YOU TO START OVER!!!!.

First, is to get rid of what you have left and start fresh with another 1g but, I'd advise against this because why scrap another perfectly good car to achieve what you want .

Second, you could do as you said and what Colt4363 agreed with. Basically what you have right now is scrap as MANY people have told you. The full tube chassis is going to be the best and only way to save the parts you have now. You would HAVE TO build something like this:



However, from the looks of your work, I would doubt that you have the skill to pull something like this off(no offense). GET SOME HELP!!!!

Don't get me wrong, I am far from being an expert of anything but, as with any project of this caliber, RESEARCH IS KEY BEFORE the first turn of the wrench, first cut, etc,etc,etc......

Personally, I have been researching for my project for 6 months now, for a build that is not going to take place for another year or so, because I want to know every aspect for the build, from where to get supplies, the parts that I'll need and where to get them ,etc,etc, and have it all before I start my build.

There are 3 things that you DO NOT SKIMP ON. Brakes, suspension, and frame.
Like Boostedinaz's signature says , Do it right, do it once.

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You have a link to any more info on this car?

Morphius said:

You have a link to any more info on this car?

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I know nothing about this kind of work...interesting to see you make progress after everyone saying stop.

Looks pretty janky to me. The square tubing firewall thing looks like a disaster waiting oh happen. Actually after reading thru I now feel like puking in my mouth.

bryanwheat said:

Looks pretty janky to me. The square tubing firewall thing looks like a disaster waiting oh happen. Actually after reading thru I now feel like puking in my mouth.

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Sometimes I wish the forum had a like button.

Shit looks saggy where the "cradle" meets what used to be a firewall. You might as well have done this with tinkertoys.

I wouldn't even pull that with a horse out of fear of ripping the "frame" from the "firewall." I bet that as soon as you put the full weight of the engine in, it'll fold like a taco.

We talked about this in the summer a few months back, and you agreed to re do the whole setup or go tubular with chassis fab help from a shop... why do you want to do this on your own so bad bro? I just dont get it. Look at the firewall, square tubing, do you care about your life and other on street or strip? If you like chassis fab so much, have you thought about pursuing training, fab, and certification? You can build this later on and appreciate it. Your car is in absolute handicap state, you cant enjoy it, boost it, drive it..As for the current state of the car...
I dont know what to stay, Im not being rude and i suport you but you cant be stubborn. We have many shells down here available for cheap, im seriously tempted to donate one and transport it to new york, so you can run a DSM down the street at the very least

I was asking for help over the summer gabtech said he would give me the names of a few books he never did... I got the book chassi engineering and I'm going to implement a lot of the knowledge I'm going to be cutting the entire floor from the car.

Sorry, I always liked to see original projects but I really don't trust your front end conversion. With the weight and the torque of a big block I really don't think your car will ever be reliable. Find a good way to stiffen it or you will hurt or kill someone. Good luck

Holy cow. Did yout mess around with diet bikes or cycles when you were younger? If you want to build a chassis maybe start with a bike. This is way over your head. I've never seen anything like this. When i was a kid my friends and I built better go karts and bikes. We were only 12 years old and clueless but we weren't as clueless as you.

Btw if you would have bought somthing like a 1st gen rx7 you could have already been done with time you have in this and be wnjoying your car. You could have sqapped In your driveline and had a professional do a compliant cage and and an axle and4 link and wheel wells. You'd be close to ir 5k budget and have a well sorted 2600-2800 race car.

This thread has for to be famous on the Internet by now.

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The only "real" training as far as mechanical work, fabrication, etc. is from when I took a shop class in 7th grade...... and yet, even I now that this build is a disaster.

Haters gonna Hate


If Defiant was still here, holy crap..... I can only imagine his reply.



I probably would have actually left most of the DSM's front end intact, if the v8 fit between the factory frame rails you could have simply cut out the center of the fire wall.
The front sub frame would have been a clearance issue.

If you lived closer to me, I would actually come by and help out.

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I'm going to be cutting the entire floor from the car.

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I just wish this sort of stupid was physically painful, though it might end up being the case with this "project."

This thing will have the structural rigidity of jello.

LandSpeed-DSM said:

I just wish this sort of stupid was physically painful, though it might end up being the case with this "project."

This thing will have the structural rigidity of jello.

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Just think. This guy is getting off work and spending his free time doing this. He is probably spending whole weekends on this. Putting that in perspective makes me feel sorry for him. I honestly don't understand any rwd dsm conversion. They are all a pointless waste of time and money with so many cheap rwd chassis pptions. But at least I can respect someone who puts their time and talent to work for a car that will perform properly aNd predictably. I remember seeing this thread when it started and wrote it off as one of the numerous similar threads where they say. "I got the chassis and fan work covered" and then ask some question that is so basic you no they will never complete it. I always pictured these peoople as misquoted teenagers And stuff. I never expected in 15 years of Utomotive forums to see one of these misguided souls actually cut a car up and glue some angle iron and gutter stock to the front of a car.

spoonman said:

Haters gonna Hate

If you lived closer to me, I would actually come by and help out.

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Thanks man appreciate it. I would have a cold one waitin to haha
Not sure why no one trusts the 1/8 square steel it feels extremely sturdy can't immagine useing a product like this one "gutters"...

This build would have killed Paul Walker

DSM's 4 life said:

Thanks man appreciate it. I would have a cold one waitin to haha
Not sure why no one trusts the 1/8 square steel it feels extremely sturdy can't immagine useing a product like this one "gutters"...

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If feels is nothing compared to the kind of forces on that with a big block. The whole front of the car is going to snap off, you will likely die because there is nothing to protect you in the front. If you hit something with the front those frame rails are going to be in your legs. There is no strength in this at all. You built this about the worst way you could of. Take some advise from these people and scrap that car, you ruined it, it is done, it will never be safe again. The only way is to build a full tube frame which you can't do.

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This build would have killed Paul Walker

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Sad to say, but he just died in a car accident this afternoon.
Paul Walker dead at 40 after car crash | Inside Movies | EW.com

Seamus said:

Just think. This guy is getting off work and spending his free time doing this. He is probably spending whole weekends on this. Putting that in perspective makes me feel sorry for him. I honestly don't understand any rwd dsm conversion. They are all a pointless waste of time and money with so many cheap rwd chassis pptions. But at least I can respect someone who puts their time and talent to work for a car that will perform properly aNd predictably. I remember seeing this thread when it started and wrote it off as one of the numerous similar threads where they say. "I got the chassis and fan work covered" and then ask some question that is so basic you no they will never complete it. I always pictured these peoople as misquoted teenagers And stuff. I never expected in 15 years of Utomotive forums to see one of these misguided souls actually cut a car up and glue some angle iron and gutter stock to the front of a car.

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your a richard man, why you wanna talk a buncha S on this guys attempt to do a custom rwd swap? And then talk as if rwd is a joke? The very best cars are rear wheel drive, duh. And what makes you the exception? What do you do thats so badass? Huh? What have you done thats so killer? Swap a direct bolt-on 16g turbo in place of a 14b? Give the guy a break. I think alot of you guys should give dude a break. Who knows? Maybe this thing will turn out to be an absolute beast!