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anyone have tips for reinforcing the front this is what i am thinking.
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I had a built 2g I have a build thread on here
That is not the least bit relevant to this discussion.
Um I've been checking out this thread as well and didn't chime in because I have Zero idea of how to build a proper rwd car. However if the op wanted to get back on the right track, dare I suggest getting a front clip and starting over ?
The reason I cut the front end off was because it had no use. I was not us ring the struts and the factory frame rails were about 15" to high. I don't know why everyone says its scrap. You can always fix & improve past actions I can make the whole car tubular and just have the shell in there for looks if that's what it comes down to. I still have the majority of the front clip btw was selling the strut towers since they had 0 rust.
The reason I cut the front end off was because it had no use. I was not us ring the struts and the factory frame rails were about 15" to high. I don't know why everyone says its scrap. You can always fix & improve past actions I can make the whole car tubular and just have the shell in there for looks if that's what it comes down to. I still have the majority of the front clip btw was selling the strut towers since they had 0 rust.
The reason I cut the front end off was because it had no use. I was not us ring the struts and the factory frame rails were about 15" to high. I don't know why everyone says its scrap. You can always fix & improve past actions I can make the whole car tubular and just have the shell in there for looks if that's what it comes down to. I still have the majority of the front clip btw was selling the strut towers since they had 0 rust.
Some people tell us our cages are "excessive" but there are too many threads out there showing cage failures.
Did you know some parts of the cages are design to fail ??? Do you remember the Nascar accident last year where the front end completely broke off the car when he crashed with the wall and parts of the car injured the spectators ??? Actually the cage didn't fail, it did its job to perfection, its design to "fail" like that... Just wanted to point that out...
NASCAR also uses carbs and suspension designed for trucks from the early 60s. IMO they are not much of a baseline for anything other than well NASCAR. They may indeed design crumple zones into their cars but I couldnt care less because that has little to do with racing at the club level.
I can tell you that when converting a street car to a race vehicle. Cage failure is just that.... failure. The cage I posted has Xs through out as well as FIA bars and halo bars all for occupant safety and rigidity. It would take an extremely terrible and violent accident to make this cage fail.
Will there be a point you realize you have it ALL wrong ? In which case if you can't built a front half the right way what makes you think you can build a full chassis car and for what, to race 10 seconds ??? Common man be real with yourself... From day one, even before you started murdering the car and getting yourself deeper in the hole I tried to advice you the best way, and every day you get deeper in disaster.. I'm convinced you are so concentrated on proving everyone wrong, that you willing to any length to finish your build even if its wrongly built just to prove a point, which to be real is pointless. The way you have design and welded that front end, it will bend to shit when you put the engine weight on the chassis. The front frame rail aren't supported the right way to the other part of the car/chassis... It still looks like you haven't done your homework, there are a lot of internet pages with pictures of chassis been fabricated from start to finish. Where in your own world have you come up with such horrible and worthless chassis design ?? The more I keep thinking about your build the more frustrated I get with you. What are you waiting for to realize your mistakes and wake up ??
Did you know some parts of the cages are design to fail ??? Do you remember the Nascar accident last year where the front end completely broke off the car and parts of the car injured the spectators ??? Actually the cage didn't fail, it did its job to perfection, its design to "fail" like that... Just wanted to point that out... I have a vey close personal friend who used to work for Chassis Engineering Inc. and even designed the 3/4 chassis most 6sec race cars use today, we have spent hours and hours talking about cages along the way he helping me design my race cars and Ive learned a lot from him about chassis and cages. Even a lot of good welders and chassis fabricators are clueless how a cage is suppose to act in case of a crash, certain tubes in a cage are design to fail and break off the car to protect the driver from the cage getting smashed inside the drivers cockpit.
I just saw that you made an edit to your post. I am VERY interested in knowing what bars you think should fail in a cage. In fact I have a few questions about that.
What bars do you think should fail?
In what way are these bar supposed to fail ie break in two, bend outward etc?
How does the builder guarantee that no matter what type of racing incident the car is in, the cage fails in the exact way you "designed" it to fail?
Dont think that more bracing would be a better way to protect the driver from the cage "smashing inside the cockpit"?
If were gonna discuss cages then lets discuss cages.