Have you looked around besides the garret turbo? OR are you set on getting one, im not lookingf or 600 but between 400 and 500 on my next engine build this next fall using a hx40. Make sure you have the mods too.

There is much better options than the 35r now. Precision,bw turbos with bullet wheels etc..

Whats your price range for a turbo, bb 35r can cost the same a 3 rebuilt hx40's.

There are plenty of options and if I were to ever switch from my hx40 I would go with Precision turbo.

Price range is $1000-2000 for the turbo. I just did alot of research and the 35r doesn't seem like the optimal turbo for my setup. Before I had a hahn racecraft super 20g on my stock engine and it wouldn't spool til damn near 4,000rpm haha but it hit hard once it was spooled. But i also had stock fuel system and no tuning.

I'd look into the HTA turbos that Forced Performance offers with the DSM bolt-on housings.

DSM82

DSM86

I'd go for the 3586 instead of the 3582.

Honestly there is a ton of information on here about Holsets, and you could definitely get there for cheaper with your goals.. so I'll stray elsewhere and suggest taking a look at precision. You can get a PT6262 for a grand, and could easily make 600hp with that 2.3 you're running. Ha, maybe they'll even send you the wrong turbo like they did with my buddy and you'll get an upgrade. He ordered a PT6262 and was shipped a PT6266. He didn't even realize it until he was trying to figure out the slow spool-up for his built 2.0 and he confirmed it with them by the serial number.

You could probably make it with some of their 'entry level' turbochargers that are rated at 600hp and sell for about $800. Either way, the performance with these turbos is awesome & they won't cost you 2 grand.

DSM82HTA/3582 or DSM86HTA/3586 should both be able to achieve your goal without much trouble.

I have no idea what the current offerings are like from PTE, I've been in the DSM scene for the last 10+ years & over the years they've had numerours turbos (including some of their BB ones, not just std. thrust) that didn't stand up for our application. They may be better currently but I stopped following them years ago.

Dont forget you get what you pay for when going with these cheaper options. Anything that uses the Garrett center section is going to last you quite awhile. They take much more abuse. If you plan on not running it that often and plans to change it out once or twice a year then you could get away with PTE or along those lines.

Wouldn't the fp black be exactly within his price and goals.?

I just want something that is going to hold up in daily driving and be stout enough to take a couple WOT passes in a day and garrett has just been around for so long and is known for their reliability. I dont want to go the cheap route, i mean nothing on my engine is the bare minimum. I am building it to last and to keep being a great car. Do it right the first time or dont do it at all. That always rings in my head when i try being a cheap ass.

With the stroker motor spool up won't be an issue. Now making 600hp on 30psi may be an issue.

I'd suggest either an FP (Garrett based turbo) or a PTE.

I'd even go with a BW or Bullseye before a Holset. Are you planning on switching to a T3 manifold or sticking with a stock flange?

J_HEATH said:

With the stroker motor spool up won't be an issue. Now making 600hp on 30psi may be an issue.

I'd suggest either an FP (Garrett based turbo) or a PTE.

I'd even go with a BW or Bullseye before a Holset. Are you planning on switching to a T3 manifold or sticking with a stock flange?

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Id probably steer away from a bolt on mitsu flange running a 2.3L and the power hes looking for.

ARFWD said:

Id probably steer away from a bolt on mitsu flange running a 2.3L and the power hes looking for.

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Why's that?

T3 jmf bottom mount manifold

J_HEATH said:

With the stroker motor spool up won't be an issue. Now making 600hp on 30psi may be an issue.

I'd suggest either an FP (Garrett based turbo) or a PTE.

I'd even go with a BW or Bullseye before a Holset. Are you planning on switching to a T3 manifold or sticking with a stock flange?

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Which part is the issue the horsepower or boost?

HTA3586 can make 600whp on pump pretty easy with the right setup and has great spool in my eye's.

With today's billet wheel market, the top turbo manufacturer's have making power with smaller wheels down pat and it's pretty damn impressive. Any T3 60-67mm billet wheel should get you your goal, but in terms of how long each one will last is the question. I am biased towards FP turbo's, but PTE's billet wheel line up is kicking as also with the 6262, 6266, 6466, 6765, ect.. BW makes a pretty stout journal bearing also, though really isn't as popular these days. And of course we can't forget about the good old HX40's, though I havent seen to many people on TalonDaves status making big power like he is.

Pretty much take your pick from 62mm and above..

ARFWD said:

Id probably steer away from a bolt on mitsu flange running a 2.3L and the power hes looking for.

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I agree but, to keep things in the $2k budget, he's going to be hard pressed getting 3582/86 considering the additional cost of the exhaust manifold and o2 housing.

Getting a 3582/86 (DSM 82/86) in a stock DSM housing means fast spooling, combine that with the stroker and you've got a transmission DESTROYING setup. Which is probably by ARFWD suggested getting these turbos in the bolt-on FP housing.

phunny said:

Why's that?

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T3 options will flow better and net more overall power.

gofer said:

I agree but, to keep things in the $2k budget, he's going to be hard pressed getting 3582/86 considering the additional cost of the exhaust manifold and o2 housing.

Getting a 3582/86 (DSM 82/86) in a stock DSM housing means fast spooling, combine that with the stroker and you've got a transmission DESTROYING setup. Which is probably by ARFWD suggested getting these turbos in the bolt-on FP housing.

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I meant $2000 max for just the turbo. Exhaust, o2 housing are not the issue right now.

Well, i know there have been rumors of PTE jb's being bad and all. I have only owned 2 turbos and the pte 5858 JB i have now has seen 30+psi and kicks ass. It now has around 4k on it with no play and seems to be in good condition. If it were my money, again I may be biased having only owned 2 turbos, but i would look into getting a BB PTE like the 6466 for example.
But the Garrett options look really good too. Id say either way your set with a $2000 budget. You will get your 600hp on pump but thats gonna take a big turbo to do that. e85 or meth spray it and you get that power alot easier.

I think PTE prices just shot up btw, so considering that, the garrett looks better and better

boost97gst said:

Well, i know there have been rumors of PTE jb's being bad and all. I have only owned 2 turbos and the pte 5858 JB i have now has seen 30+psi and kicks ass. It now has around 4k on it with no play and seems to be in good condition. If it were my money, again I may be biased having only owned 2 turbos, but i would look into getting a BB PTE like the 6466 for example.
But the Garrett options look really good too. Id say either way your set with a $2000 budget. You will get your 600hp on pump but thats gonna take a big turbo to do that. e85 or meth spray it and you get that power alot easier.

I think PTE prices just shot up btw, so considering that, the garrett looks better and better

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Yeah pte is having a sale on a site i usually get parts through and they are more expensive than the garretts now. I was looking at the a/r maps for the 3582 and it looks like if i go with a 1.06 ar it might work perfectly. I didnt see they had the option to change it before. I thought their highest was .82 so i might just go with it and see how it turns out and then let everyone know. I plan to be at the shootout in august

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I'm assuming by some of your posts so far that you already have a t3 manifold, so with that said, I would suggest either a FP3586 or PTE6466. If you had the opportunity to go t4 twinscroll, however, (which is what I would do for your goals), then this is my choice for a daily driver to full time street car/weekend racer..... BorgWarner S300SX FMW Turbo - Full-Race.com

For full time TRACK car to weekend streetcar I'd go with this one..... BorgWarner S400SX 67mm FMW Turbo - Full-Race.com

For the price, I don't think you can beat either of those in terms of performance, durability, and power potential. If money is no object then I would go with the EFR unit of equivalent wheel specs for each use I listed. You'll get the added performance of dual ball bearing, and a badass turbine. Plus, the added cost of going with the EFR version is offset by over 50% of the price difference when you factor in the fact that the bov, boost control solenoid, AND wg are already built into the unit!

Btw, yes....I do know that they offer the turbos in a t3 single scroll housing as well, I didn't put that out there as an option because, imo, I don't think a .70 would allow these turbos to perform to their full potential. If you want to go t3, personally, I think the first 2 mentioned are the better route.