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Bshep834

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Mar 17, 2013
Bardstown, Kentucky
as of now ive got a built bottom end arp bolts and studs cometic head gasket fp turbo manifold big 16g turbo punishment racing fmic... 2g maf wally 255 in tank 1000cc injectors dsmlink street tuned by Blevins on e85 the car is supposedly 420awhp at 30psi. im looking to make over 600whp and need some info on which route to take. im already in the process of having a new head ported and polished and putting a slightly larger cam in it as far as I know and from what a few people are telling me a larger turbo is all I really need but then I run into the problem of which one. a hx series wofuld require a different manifold.. don't really want to do that and a fp black is out of my price range.. I know this is going to cost serious dollars I have money just not tons on tons. ALSO! my aem wideband is going crazy. it wont read a stable number at all it bounces around from rich to lean with no consistency at all.. ANY HELP?
 
. to make that power you will need to consider a 325 liter per hour fuel pump. and Adjustable Fuel Pressure Regulator .After market fuel filter . DSM link or equall

as far as your turbo get a godspeed turbo/ then have it upgraded/checked/ balanced. to insure life span there usually 100-150 usd. No they wont last forever but if you run proper feed and return oil lines it will last about 2yrs maybe more.

You get the need for proper machinery.
keep in mind fuel delivery and tune.

* it's a start.:rocks:
 
Have you checked the sensor? For 600hp your ganna need a bigger fuel pump, have you looked into the PTE turbos? Probably ganna want to go external wastegate. Dont forget your ganna need money for a retune.
 
DO NOT buy a godspeed turbo, unless you want to rebuild your nice bottom end when the turbo explodes.

Since your on e85 i would seriously consider a hx40. They are cheap and are very tough. Other options in t3 flange are gt35r, precision 6262, etc.
 
Appreciate the help guys I've been trying to find a hx35 or 40 guess ill just stick to that.. But yes I do have a dd the 1g is just a track car/weekend car and it is a 5 speed
 
Your best choice will be hx40 with garrett bolt on housing if your still going to say with the fp manifold.

Wait for one of these bad boys to come out http://www.dsmtuners.com/forums/vendor-announcements/456500-fp-turbine-housing-holsets.html

A garret T3 flanged turbine housing will not bolt up to a FP manifold as the FP manifold was designed specifically to use turbos with a mitsu bolt pattern. The FP holset turbine housing you mentioned does look a like a promising option over the current BEP housing, but time will tell.

OP. 600hp is nothing to scoff at, but it's doable, you definitely need after market cams, our cars have two, btw. You'll most likely need to ditch that 2G maf and probably move to a speed density setup. If you still plan on running e85 you better add a second walbro 255 to your setup and bigger fuel injectors. I wouldn't waste my time or money porting and polishing the head, a stock 6 bolt head can make 600hp as it is.

Bottom line, IMO, a 600hp setup is not something you want to just try and jump into, by throwing parts at the car. Do a little more research and read about some other setups that are making that kind of power. I'm telling you right now though, you're going to need a lot more than just a turbo.
 
Appreciate it man I new it was weird everyone kept saying bigger turbo bigger turbo I have the head off now and have big looking for cams not sure which ones to get though also how would I go about putting another fuel pump in? Also I found a set of 1350cc injectors should I go ahead and buy them?
 
A garret T3 flanged turbine housing will not bolt up to a FP manifold as the FP manifold was designed specifically to use turbos with a mitsu bolt pattern. The FP holset turbine housing you mentioned does look a like a promising option over the current BEP housing, but time will tell.

OP. 600hp is nothing to scoff at, but it's doable, you definitely need after market cams, our cars have two, btw. You'll most likely need to ditch that 2G maf and probably move to a speed density setup. If you still plan on running e85 you better add a second walbro 255 to your setup and bigger fuel injectors. I wouldn't waste my time or money porting and polishing the head, a stock 6 bolt head can make 600hp as it is.

Bottom line, IMO, a 600hp setup is not something you want to just try and jump into, by throwing parts at the car. Do a little more research and read about some other setups that are making that kind of power. I'm telling you right now though, you're going to need a lot more than just a turbo.

If you would have read my first sentence I clearly stated bolt on housing(dsm flange) not t3.
 
Im in the same boat as you bud just shooting for 500 right now in gonna be running a 7 blade hx35 in be fashion I learned my lesson last time I always look at the future when buying parts so you don't have to buy twice In getting ready to sell my1450s and put my 2150 high z in Also about the dual pumps why not get a wally 450 and add a inline pump?
 
Im in the same boat as you bud just shooting for 500 right now in gonna be running a 7 blade hx35 in be fashion I learned my lesson last time I always look at the future when buying parts so you don't have to buy twice In getting ready to sell my1450s and put my 2150 high z in Also about the dual pumps why not get a wally 450 and add a inline pump?

1450's are more than enough for 500hp on E85. You could squeeze that out of 1000's if you don't mind high IDC's. Same with a 450lph. They're supposedly rated at 800hp, which isn't hard to believe with guys making 400+ on a 255.
 
So would you say a 450 fuel pump and 1350cc injectors would do the trick? I also have a hx40 with a t3 flange lined up aswell.. Still looking around for cams but after that I'm going to check with my tuner and see if we can go ahead and start tuning if the bigger pump and injectors will work (I've also gave up the hope of keeping my fp manifold)
 
So would you say a 450 fuel pump and 1350cc injectors would do the trick? I also have a hx40 with a t3 flange lined up aswell.. Still looking around for cams but after that I'm going to check with my tuner and see if we can go ahead and start tuning if the bigger pump and injectors will work

Yes, with a 450lph and 1350's you should have enough fuel flow to support 600hp on E85. The IDC's might be on the high side for 1350's, especially if they have some heavy miles on them. But you could always bump the fuel pressure up a little to make the injectors act larger. I'd definitely rewire the pump too, and look into Speed Density like mentioned. At those airflow levels the 2g MAF is not only restrictive but will not read accurately. Since you have DSMLink your just 2 sensors away from running Speed Density. ECM Tuning sells a very nice bundle package with those sensors.

ECMTuning, Inc.

For what it's worth, I'm personally shooting for over 500hp on E85 using an H1E(HX40), Walbro 400lph, and FIC 1150cc injectors.
 
Okay I forgot to add the maf. Can't thank you enough man Im dying to have this thing running for import alliance but seriously man thank you!
 
as far as your turbo get a godspeed turbo
This is the absolute worst advice I've ever read in my life.

OP you need speed density, bigger injectors, bigger fuel pump, fuel pressure regulator, your choice of turbo (I see most people recommending the HX40), and a retune. Basically I'm just here to back up what Wes said LOL. Good luck and keep us posted!:hellyeah:
 
1450's are more than enough for 500hp on E85. You could squeeze that out of 1000's if you don't mind high IDC's. Same with a 450lph. They're supposedly rated at 800hp, which isn't hard to believe with guys making 400+ on a 255.

Yea I Figured but since I have the 2150s already why not run them LOL Just trying to figure out if I can splice into my Injectors and leave my stock Injector clips on with the new 2150 clips so I can switch back anytime?? Anyone know??

Imma give Jens a call tomorrow
 
FP has that new black turbo..........just saying. i hope the build works out for you man. you could run a external double pump set up as for as fuel on E85. fuel and a big turbo and one solid ####ing tune and youll be there. excited to see the results
 
Just to put things in perspective, there are 47 documented members on this site that have hit 600+ out of how many members total? Thousands.

DSM Dyno Challenge - Highest Horsepower

I am not stating this to be a d-bag. I am stating it so you understand not only how difficult it is to get there, but how difficult it is to stay there. You need to be prepared mentally for all the work and money in not just getting there, but all the work and money to keep it off jack stands and on the road after you reach that goal. I was there once. Everyone hears the words "bullit proof", and "the stock bottom end can handle 500hp., etc." so everyone goes into this thinking they are going to be rolling built 2jZ's and such with $2500 into their build. Those statements are true, but need to be taken with a grain of salt and within context.

That being said, if you are truly committed to reaching that goal, and maintaining that goal, I wish you the best in attaining that.
 
Just to put things in perspective, there are 47 documented members on this site that have hit 600+ out of how many members total? Thousands.

DSM Dyno Challenge - Highest Horsepower

I am not stating this to be a d-bag. I am stating it so you understand not only how difficult it is to get there, but how difficult it is to stay there. You need to be prepared mentally for all the work and money in not just getting there, but all the work and money to keep it off jack stands and on the road after you reach that goal. I was there once. Everyone hears the words "bullit proof", and "the stock bottom end can handle 500hp., etc." so everyone goes into this thinking they are going to be rolling built 2jZ's and such with $2500 into their build. Those statements are true, but need to be taken with a grain of salt and within context.

That being said, if you are truly committed to reaching that goal, and maintaining that goal, I wish you the best in attaining that.

Agreed.

It's a long road to 600+ whp from a 2.0L

Just throwing parts and money won't get you there, and it is expensive. Be prepared for a few years of trial and error as you find nearly every other weak link in the platform on the way. ;)
 
So would you say a 450 fuel pump and 1350cc injectors would do the trick? I also have a hx40 with a t3 flange lined up aswell.. Still looking around for cams but after that I'm going to check with my tuner and see if we can go ahead and start tuning if the bigger pump and injectors will work (I've also gave up the hope of keeping my fp manifold)


I was running a standard 35r & a 2.4, i my 1650 injectors where at 79% IDC. So you might want to consider that, i know a 2.4 is not a 2.0 but just my .02
 
Agreed.

Just throwing parts and money won't get you there, and it is expensive. Be prepared for a few years of trial and error as you find nearly every other weak link in the platform on the way. ;)

This is why i tell people to research, research, & research so they don't spend $ on pointless things, & know what to expect with their goals.
 
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