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Price of a 6bolt and manual trans swap?

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Oct 13, 2011
central pa, Pennsylvania
i have a 2g gsx and i'm going to send it to d.m.s. performance near harrisburg and they estimated the price to be around 3k-4k. That's them sourcing the parts and installing it. Right now my car has a 7bolt and it's having some fuel cut issues. I want to switch motors because of the crank walk and i've read enough info to just do the swap. So does this price sound alright? I'm going to tow my car to their place tomorrow and talk to them about it. I told them i want everything replaced like gaskets and belts. all that stuff for the 6bolt before he puts it in. I know they will have to do some custom work for the manual transmission. He is also going to fix the subframe because it has broken and missing bolts. Is this too much? Remember, he's getting the parts too. I just trust having a speed shop getting the parts than me getting it myself. He said the engine and trans will have warranty too.:hmm:

And i was wondering if i should just put a bigger turbo? i have a 16g right now. But i'd love to get something bigger like a 20g. i'm thinking it wouldnt cost too much because i already have the supporting mods. The engine won't have work done to it though. i'm not trying to make like 500hp. maybe more close to 400. 380ish you know what i mean. Oh and this guy will PUT AEM AMS instead of a DSM Link. yeah my car doesnt have the dsm link. It has an evo 8 ecu though. i still have the stock ecu.
 
i have a 2g gsx and i'm going to send it to d.m.s. performance near harrisburg and they estimated the price to be around 3k-4k. That's them sourcing the parts and installing it.

So I assume they're going to source a 6 bolt long block (any tear down/rebuild, or just buy long block and drop in?) and install for that price. Seems a bit high to me. Used engine can go for a couple hundred dollars. Swap shouldn't take more than a day or two.


Right now my car has a 7bolt and it's having some fuel cut issues. I want to switch motors because of the crank walk and i've read enough info to just do the swap.

Fuel cut issues = swap whole motor? Seems really extreme to me. Have you done anything to try and fix those issues?

Crank walk is overrated. Unless your crank has shown any signs of end play, why not just run it until something happens to it, then worry about replacing it?


I know they will have to do some custom work for the manual transmission.

Um, what custom work? Your current 2g transmission will bolt right up to the 6 bolt block, and there's no custom work with mounting it in the engine bay. If they've told you otherwise, then you need to reconsider taking your car to that shop.


And i was wondering if i should just put a bigger turbo? i have a 16g right now. But i'd love to get something bigger like a 20g. i'm thinking it wouldnt cost too much because i already have the supporting mods. The engine won't have work done to it though. i'm not trying to make like 500hp. maybe more close to 400. 380ish you know what i mean.

Up to you. An Evo 3 16g on a good tune will net 350-400hp or so. If you want an easy 400hp, then you'll have to step it up. Do your research on what a 20g will do and make you decision. If you have all the supporting mods (please list them in your profile), the you can do it at any point, whether the engine is out or not.


Oh and this guy will PUT AEM AMS instead of a DSM Link. yeah my car doesnt have the dsm link. It has an evo 8 ecu though. i still have the stock ecu.

Not worth it. It'd be a good sell for the shop if they do tuning, as you won't be able to get it running yourself without knowing AEM. It's not user friendly if you're not familiar with tuning at all. If you are, I'd still recommend link (or stick with the EvoScan and ECU Flash). You don't need the control (or headaches) that come with an AEM unit for 400hp.


Sometimes I swear I should open a shop around Harrisburg because there's no one that knows these cars.
 
It's automatic. And the MAF is a gm setup. The car was leaking a lot all over the place before and i got most of it fixed. i brought the car just like this. The auto slips. The car hits fuel cut too you can't put much throttle to it.

I have school and work. I appreciate these cars a lot and just want it running perfectly. I have the money to do whatever to it.
 
Yeah well i don't have the official price. He did tell me the engine and turbo is still good. but before i even said anything about swapping the engine. ( months ago)i wanted him to fix the leaks before and he said to fix the sub frame he needed to take the engine out and weld it.. and the front suspension was bad. but he did say the price would be 3k-4k. IDK. if it's going to be over 4k i'm not going to bother.

I wouldnt plan on changing the set up on how it's first tuned.
 
If the 6 bolt isn't going to be torn down at all, I'd want to know how many miles (estimated) it has on it, when the last time it was run (if known), make sure it turns over smoothly by hand with no dragging or notchiness, and to make sure everything on the outside of the engine was taken off and had gaskets replaced. Obviously I'd check shaft play on the turbo as well as look for any oil residue (possible leaks) or chipped fins.

Just make sure the shop knows what they're doing if they plan on repairing a subframe. If it happens to be tweaked/crooked while welded, it can cause driveability issues.
 
i found this guy on this website.. That's the only reason why i'm taking it there. His name is justin. They have a website. DMS Performance. in dillsburg. I talked to him about what i wanted to do with the car and that i want the car reliable and done right. And he said that they don't do half ass jobs and he's done 6bolt swaps before. I told him about replacing everything on the new engine so i wouldnt have to replace it later on. And i think shops should tell you what they are getting before they install it. I was planning on using my 16g i have now. unless he's going to tell me it isn't good. (it did leak before)

I can't find any other reputable tuning shops around here. Everyone here is either hondas or volkswagons. If i could i would send it to that shepard guy in ohio. i have a gf there anyways. LOL
 
If you are looking for a quick turn around (within a month) go elsewhere. The work they do is iffy depending on what was done. Justin is very knowledgeable in his work and has worked on many dsms as well as Hondas.

My biggest issue is the fact that when I went there he had too much work and not enough time management. My car was there for about 6 months if not longer for a rebuild and I supplied the parts. This happen multiple times with these wait periods.

It took a long time for a motor he ordered the first time to come in which crank walked about 2 weeks later (not his issue).


He did help me out with my problems but after a few other key issues I had, I stopped going there and did the work myself and still am fixing problems they created.

Maybe I personally had a bad experience and others praise them.

I would consider getting a bare block and a head from here for cheaper and build it rather than getting a used one through his source.

If he builds one, you'll still get a warranty I believe.

Take what I mentioned into consideration. This was a while ago so things may have changed since then.

If you have more specific questions pm me.
 
awwww man. i'm about to give up on these dsms. LOL.. if i had the time and space to rebuild i would.. i think people just don't like working on these cars.. snow should make a shop. ill send my car there right away. No i'd like to send it to someone that enjoys working on these cars. LOL
 
What is preventing you from doing the swap yourself (or possibly just fixing your current problems)? Knowledge, desire, space, tools, something else?


I've thought about opening a shop, and then I realize all I know is DSM's which is a dying model. I could probably pick up Evo's fairly quickly, but never had my hands in one. After that, I'd probably have to learn more vehicles to even possibly be somewhat successful. There doesn't seem to be that big of a 'tuner' group around Harrisburg.
 
college and work. summer time ill work full time. i live with my parents. we have a garage but theres no room to leave things laying around. i can have the space but i wouldn't have the time to work on it. im still going to keep the car. i am expecting to make serious hp with the car. it's the only car i would love to get modded and tuned next to the supra. i should move to florida.

OKAY i found another place. PSI PROFORMANCE. I gave them a call but no one picked up. I did leave a message. I'm hoping this shop is good. The owner is Travis Bishop, if anyone heard of him.
 
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I didnt bother going to dms. i wanted to check this psi place. they called back and had suggestions on what i should do. i'm going to vring my car there tomorrow. i gotta tow it unless i can fix the fuel cut problem. i dont know how to reflash the ecu or wwhat i need to do to adjust the gm maf pipe for the car to stop shutting off from the fuel/air readings. it can drive but it jists shuts off if theres too much throttle. the boost keeps putting too much air or something.

i have an evo 8 ecu installed and i heard you dont need the gm setup for this ecu. i dont need dsm link either.ill post some before and after pics of the engine bay whenever its all done. i soon want to make vids for my car. race my cousins 3000gt vr4 haha. and my bros mr2 turbo
 
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Psi performance? Where is that, you don't mean extreme psi do you?
 
it's in lansdale. east of us i think. probably closer to you if you live in harrisburg. it's called psi proformance. theyve done a few dsms. i havnt seen the place in person because of school and work, but my car is there now. they have some good quality dyno videos of the cars they tuned on youtube. hopefully mine will get dynoed and will be up on youtube too.
 
If your are taking your car out that way, you might as well go to JNZ Tuning. They are a vendor on this forum and they work mainly on DSM's and EVO's. I have taken my car out there personally and I will not go anywhere else. They are located in Hatfield ( a few miles north of PSI). If the current shop doesn't figure it out, that is your best option.
 
so far psi is doing well. i'm getting the estimate soon. These guys seem to listen and agree to what you want to do with your car. And they have suggestions too of course.

i wish i knew about jnz earlier. i got my car towed to psi and its going to stay there untill it's finished.
 
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They changed the maf to speend density got a new big 16g mhi turbo since the other one was no good anymore and fixed the subframe. car runs beautiful except the trans.. always having problems with these autos.. no check engine light at all. They do some nice ass work. Good tome management too. I Recomenned this place to others. car dynoed at 245whp 260 total torque. not bad at all.
 
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