Nobody think of using a water cooled intercooler? It would cut feet out of intercooler piping. You could go directly from turbo outlet to intercooler right above trans to intake. zero pressure drop and air could be ice cold. Only downside really is extra weight, but maybe the added hp could outweigh that?

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That's what we are talking about!

A2W = air to water

The weight difference will be very minimal. The intercooler is going to weigh a LOT less. The piping would be less weight. The water reservoir would add some weight back, but propably just enough to balance out the weight difference previously mentioned. But it's a decent amount of work if you have a nice fmic that's doing good work like Justin has!

MJcanada said:

Nobody think of using a water cooled intercooler?

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2010 I ran the liquid intercooler with the 14b. Granted it was a cheap tiny core and I was running the completely wrong type of pump with small hoses & restrictive fittings. (Barely any water flow during an 11sec pass).

It would have AIT at the throttle body of under 40*f on an 80* day at the starting line and would rise up to about 100* at the traps.

The right size core with efficient water flow probably could have kept the temps down around 85-90. Justin said his temps were around 110. That would be a 20-25* difference...probably be able to make a little more power, especially on the upper rpm range where it's needed.

Whats the trade off comparing the air displaced by the water vs the psi drop across a fmic? Have always wondered about that. Seems like a wash.

1SloEvo said:

^^^^

That's what we are talking about!

A2W = air to water

The weight difference will be very minimal. The intercooler is going to weigh a LOT less. The piping would be less weight. The water reservoir would add some weight back, but propably just enough to balance out the weight difference previously mentioned. But it's a decent amount of work if you have a nice fmic that's doing good work like Justin has!

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Ahaha. Lol sorry I didn't put it together. I was wondering what A2W was, just didn't think much of it .
My brother uses one on his labaron. Uses a bilg pump with great exchanger uo front with a small slim fan mounted to it. I think it could help alot as you can pack the reservoir with ice.

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it was a cheap tiny core and I was running the completely wrong type of pump with small hoses & restrictive fittings. (Barely any water flow during an 11sec pass).

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well that was the issue there. That is smaller than what my brother uses.

Justin, I forgot to say this before, but your 95 trans has the earlier version of the double syncro second gear. There was a improved double syncro on the 96-98 cars. The 2G also had a larger 3rd and 4th syncro which should shift better, just don't try to put a big turbo on it since the large 3/4 hub is weaker.

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Justin, I forgot to say this before, but your 95 trans has the earlier version of the double syncro second gear. There was a improved double syncro on the 96-98 cars. The 2G also had a larger 3rd and 4th syncro which should shift better, just don't try to put a big turbo on it since the large 3/4 hub is weaker.

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Thanks for the info Dave. I checked vin and it's a 96 trans not a 95. So I guess I got a good trans. The trans shifts really well. I was having pedal and hydraulic issues before I went to sac. So I bled it and did a quick adjustment. Im going to redo the pedal bushings and then fine adjust it. Get it back to the way it was shifting in Fallon.

I went over all my logs and my IATs on some pulls where a little hotter than I thought. But that's inline with the coolant temp being around 203. One one pull was 118 and one was 115. So room for improvement there. Starting temps were between 82-95degrees in sac and mid 70s in Fallon. Seeing temps so high I know of some things to improve on. Just glad I have a good intake manifold heat barrier gasket. Can't touch the valve cover but can rest my arm on the intake.

Another interesting thing I came across, I had the boost controller one full turn less in sac than in Fallon. Fallon boost wouldn't go higher than 22peak and it would drop to 15-16lbs. Now in sac the boost would peak 25lbs and drop to 17-18. Only change to engine parts that may have caused an issue was a 12" 2.5" diameter section for the intake. It's all 3" and was that way in sac. I guess with no other changes I'll see what the difference is in Fallon on the 23rd.

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well that was the issue there. That is smaller than what my brother uses.

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Well...I'm always on a budget, the pump I was using actually came out of an RV (pump for bathroom water). It was a diaphragm type shurflo positive displacement pump (high psi, low flow). But in this instance, a free water pump is better than no water pump.

With a big bilge pump, 3/4" hoses,and some planning to eliminate all the 90* fittings in the lines......my gut says that dinky core could have held the AIT curve from 35*f to 65*F on a hot summer day.

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Thanks Phil. Less than two weeks. Gotta finish my ducting, change out axles, and a few tech items. I'm more interested in cutting some 1.5s on this outing.

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You got it. Yeah, comin up fast. Taking this outing to concentrate on optimizing your launch isn't a bad idea. Do that and all the rest will fall into place. If you can drop .05 to the 60' that would be a good start. Low 1.5's would be incredible.

It appears the guys here show really good support for running A2W.

So, I assume that's a direction you may move in. It would be cool to see what potential gains it could have.

However, I'd still like to see you come close to, or set a new record on the 'ordinary' A2A FMIC.

Honestly, I'm most interested in just watching your driving mop up everything your current set up has to offer.

Again, just my .02.

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You got it. Yeah, comin up fast. Taking this outing to concentrate on optimizing your launch isn't a bad idea. Do that and all the rest will fall into place. If you can drop .05 to the 60' that would be a good start. Low 1.5's would be incredible.

It appears the guys here show really good support for running A2W.

So, I assume that's a direction you may move in. It would be cool to see what potential gains it could have.

However, I'd still like to see you come close to, or set a new record on the 'ordinary' A2A FMIC.

Honestly, I'm most interested in just watching your driving mop up everything your current set up has to offer.

Again, just my .02.

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That's exactly what your going to see. An A2W setup is the last mod I will try out. Kinda have to wait til last anyways with all this other readily avalible stuff to do.

Low 1.5s would be a good goal to try and hit with this fwd. The power is capable of making this chassis move out that quick so it's possible. Just a matter of getting everything dialed in. I'm at a low 1.6 range. Last time out was a high 1.6 range. So I have a full tenth to cut off the 60'. Probably going to be the hardest task to accomplish. Cool thing is tire wear is showing I can drop less pressure than what I'm running so that's next.

Nate Crisman said:

Well...I'm always on a budget, the pump I was using actually came out of an RV (pump for bathroom water). It was a diaphragm type shurflo positive displacement pump (high psi, low flow). But in this instance, a free water pump is better than no water pump.

With a big bilge pump, 3/4" hoses,and some planning to eliminate all the 90* fittings in the lines......my gut says that dinky core could have held the AIT curve from 35*f to 65*F on a hot summer day.

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The setup may not have been the best, but as dinky as your core was the setup still keeps IATs under what mine are with this huge A2A. 10-15 degrees cooler has to be worth something. Just imagine what Joes IATs where with that bigger core.

What about running a IC sprayer ...or I can spray your IC with nitrous right before you line up.

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That's exactly what your going to see. An A2W setup is the last mod I will try out. Kinda have to wait til last anyways with all this other readily avalible stuff to do.

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Glad you are working your existing set-up. Its kinda one of my pet peeves. We see guys all the time take a couple O' few runs down the track and they need mo' powa' bigger turbOH! Find out what your current set-up will do so you can make educated assessments on where to go next (not you justin, the mo' powa' guys)

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Cool thing is tire wear is showing I can drop less pressure than what I'm running so that's next.

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I know you probably are aware but I guess I'll put in the reminder that at this power level you do need to watch that you don't take too much air out. Just need to be careful about that rolling resistance as you get up top.

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What about running a IC sprayer ...or I can spray your IC with nitrous right before you line up.

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You know something I kinda looked passed. I think I'll start bringing a big ice chest to the track and icing down the IC between runs. See if that will help any.

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Glad you are working your existing set-up. Its kinda one of my pet peeves. We see guys all the time take a couple O' few runs down the track and they need mo' powa' bigger turbOH! Find out what your current set-up will do so you can make educated assessments on where to go next (not you justin, the mo' powa' guys)
I know you probably are aware but I guess I'll put in the reminder that at this power level you do need to watch that you don't take too much air out. Just need to be careful about that rolling resistance as you get up top.

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Ya i see that all the time to. I have a few buddies like that. Want "mooar powa" and have a strong setup already that needs perfected. I like sticking with the same setup until its pretty much exhausted.

Im pretty aware of the tire deal. Ive had a lot of experience with slicks. The cool thing is I can go lower than normal becasue the car doesnt weigh as much as most. Im running 7psi now. Ive ran it there for awhile to get my suspension setup and get the alignment settings where I want. The wear pattern is damn near centered on the tire now (wasnt before). But on the 8" tire its not even close to gripping on the edges. I know Kiggly runs between 5.75 and 6.5psi in his. From the 8-9lbs range, every 1/2lb I dropped I would gain .3-.5 tenths of my 60'. Also going from first gear to doing second gear burnouts would be about the same gain as the psi drop. Im gonna start at 7psi again and do some longer burnouts to start. Then slowly drop pressure.

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Im gonna start at 7psi again and do some longer burnouts to start. Then slowly drop pressure.

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Big agreement.

Sounds like you are on it with the pressures.

*Quick update on my 14b talon*
It has been already another year since I was last able to mess with my Talon. But back in the states again so I have a little time. Sent off my ECU since the caps finally started to leak. Hopefully that fixes the gremlins that was troubling my Talon. Since the car is a little over 300lbs lighter than it was when I ran 12.1, hopefully the car will be a solid 11 sec 14b. Sucks I have not been able to competitively race or have dedicated time to the car in over 9 years. Oh well such is the life of a military man.

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*Quick update on my 14b talon*
It has been already another year since I was last able to mess with my Talon. But back in the states again so I have a little time. Sent off my ECU since the caps finally started to leak. Hopefully that fixes the gremlins that was troubling my Talon. Since the car is a little over 300lbs lighter than it was when I ran 12.1, hopefully the car will be a solid 11 sec 14b. Sucks I have not been able to competitively race or have dedicated time to the car in over 9 years. Oh well such is the life of a military man.

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Where's the "LIKE" button?

ArcticTsi said:

*Quick update on my 14b talon*
It has been already another year since I was last able to mess with my Talon. But back in the states again so I have a little time. Sent off my ECU since the caps finally started to leak. Hopefully that fixes the gremlins that was troubling my Talon. Since the car is a little over 300lbs lighter than it was when I ran 12.1, hopefully the car will be a solid 11 sec 14b. Sucks I have not been able to competitively race or have dedicated time to the car in over 9 years. Oh well such is the life of a military man.

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Nice to have you back in the mix! And, thanks from a fellow veteran for all you do. ECU repair and back to the strip???

SBstar said:

Where's the "LIKE" button?

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Thanks

Phil1320 said:

Nice to have you back in the mix! And, thanks from a fellow veteran for all you do. ECU repair and back to the strip???

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Thanks Phil, I retire from the Air Force this year so I will be ready to begin that next chapter in life.

If after the ECU is repaired and the hesitation in the car is cured It will probably make a trip to the strip. I have not made any engine or power mods of any kind since my 12.1 run. The car is exactly as it was back then. Just been pulling weight out of the car. Will just need to source some race fuel and get some seat time in at the strip. The closest strip to me sits at 4000 ft elevation so we will see how the Talon does.

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Thanks Phil, I retire from the Air Force this year so I will be ready to begin that next chapter in life.

If after the ECU is repaired and the hesitation in the car is cured It will probably make a trip to the strip. I have not made any engine or power mods of any kind since my 12.1 run. The car is exactly as it was back then. Just been pulling weight out of the car. Will just need to source some race fuel and get some seat time in at the strip. The closest strip to me sits at 4000 ft elevation so we will see how the Talon does.

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Nice! I wouldn't change a thing. 300lbs. might get you 11.9X...

ArcticTsi said:

*Quick update on my 14b talon*
It has been already another year since I was last able to mess with my Talon. But back in the states again so I have a little time. Sent off my ECU since the caps finally started to leak. Hopefully that fixes the gremlins that was troubling my Talon. Since the car is a little over 300lbs lighter than it was when I ran 12.1, hopefully the car will be a solid 11 sec 14b. Sucks I have not been able to competitively race or have dedicated time to the car in over 9 years. Oh well such is the life of a military man.

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YAY!!!! Another 14b car to hit the tracks this year. Gotta keep it alive.

ArcticTsi said:

Thanks Phil, I retire from the Air Force this year so I will be ready to begin that next chapter in life.

If after the ECU is repaired and the hesitation in the car is cured It will probably make a trip to the strip. I have not made any engine or power mods of any kind since my 12.1 run. The car is exactly as it was back then. Just been pulling weight out of the car. Will just need to source some race fuel and get some seat time in at the strip. The closest strip to me sits at 4000 ft elevation so we will see how the Talon does.

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My local track is 3990. You'll do just fine.

Phil1320 said:

Nice! I wouldn't change a thing. 300lbs. might get you 11.9X...

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I would hope better then that . Maybe 11.8 or 11.7 at least.

ARFWD said:

YAY!!!! Another 14b car to hit the tracks this year. Gotta keep it alive.



My local track is 3990. You'll do just fine.



I would hope better then that . Maybe 11.8 or 11.7 at least.

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Figured I'd be conservative since he hasn't run in such a long time.

I'm sure he'll be mid 11's before the year is out.

What rubber will you be running on Jose?

Finally ordered the clutch stuff, 4 puck unsprung to set in my 2600. After it arrives I should have the car back together in no-time and be able to start breaking it in. Here's hoping all my wire hacking didn't screw anything up ha ha!

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Nice! I wouldn't change a thing. 300lbs. might get you 11.9X...

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I would be happy with that, especially since it has been so long.

SBstar said:

What rubber will you be running on Jose?

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It will be the same rubber I always have on the car, Falken Ziex. Since it is a track built car, I have 18's for clearing my brakes and the wide foot print. I was running the same 18's and street tires when I went 12.1

Just got an e-mail from Dave at ECMTuning with some awesome news. Their diagnosis is the exact two issues I was having trouble with on the car. "Inoperative are one ignition output (only able to run an engine on two cylinders) and one ISC track (idle control)."

So hopefully when that is repaired I can having her running like she was.

Also, want to give a shout out to Nathan (9!'clipseDOHC) for letting borrow some coil packs to help diagnosis the electrical issues that were plaguing the car. Glad It has finally been proven that it was the ECU.

I will be honest and say, I am getting excited now.