pneumo
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- Oct 19, 2002
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Hope you didn't take that wrong Dave, I was using you as an example as to why my thought process of saying (stock 4g63 motor as from the factory) didn't necessarily make sense. I don't think the 1.6 head was a real advantage and I wouldn't consider your setup outside of the "record" books.
I'm not entirely sure what you mean by the "run what you brung" modded dsm statement though. Obviously the normal modifications are already considered ok, provided you slap on a 14b. But, things like the rwd stuff aren't normal and seperate you from the discussion. Perhaps you mean things like the stroker motors?
I still don't like changing the block to the 2.4, and it's not because I think it's an advantage, in fact I don't really think it is at all. To me the 4G63 has to be the engine utilized, which has more to do with the block then the head as there really aren't any heads available that create a real advantage.
So, we agree fwd or awd using only available T/E/L or GVR4 drivetrain configuration components.
Also we haven't discussed fuel. I think standard racing fuels should be allowable, ie. methanol, ethanol, C16, VP Import, whatever. But things like those "super fuels" and/or "nitromethane" should be left out.
No worries, I know you were just citing an example. To further extend this example I also feel that the 1.6 head might have given me a slight advantage, but I also didn't go out searching for that head. I just happened to need a new head since the old one dropped 2 valves and got munched badly. My car was not complete without a head. So I called around, found a head and put it on. I didn't take off a perfectly good stock head and replace it with another.
This may be painting a fine line, but I have to question guys who are going out of their way to buy expensive parts while not putting in the time and applying their know-how to build the important parts of the car. A good example is aluminum rods; they're nice and pretty and I'd love to have a set, but reality is they will make very little difference.
I also think that getting the car on the track is a big part of this thread. It's been said many times. If any of the newbies and outsiders want to do a big build to see what it will run, I don't think anyone here is stopping you. Personally I'd encourage everyone to take it to the track and see what their car can do. Racing is fun! It's a blast and I wouldn't stop anyone from racing no matter what they drive. If you happen to set a record breaking time, then we'll sort out the details afterwards. I think we'll be able to decide if any new time qualifies as a DSM 14B record.