Spend a little more cash and go with a 16g

Big t28 imo looks just like a t25 so you won't need j pipe and stuff that cost extra.

14b would b a upgrade without too many modifications

As already stated if you don't mind doing a little bit of work a 14b/16g would be an upgrade from the t-25, but won't directly bolt on. If you really want a true bolt on turbo that's an upgrade then there's the t-28 as TSImuchforyou suggested as well.

Alright thanks. So 16g and 14b sound like the best way to go in the end. I know the 14b instal is pretty simple, but what about a 16g, how big of a pain is that.

TSImuchforyou said:

Big t28 imo looks just like a t25 so you won't need j pipe and stuff that cost extra.

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Wrong. A 14b with jpipe and oil feed will run you in the neighborhood of $250 used whereas a good used t28 will run $500, and $1k new.
The only real benefit to using a t28 on a 2g is in strict emissions testing where the turbo has to appear to be stock. For most, this isnt an issue so a tdo5 variant will suffice

Check out this video on YouTube:

[ame=http://youtu.be/NoBUhJctUUE]Installing a T-28 turbo on a 98 Eclipse GSX - YouTube[/ame]

i recently did a 14b upgrade. its not to bad. i lucked out and sourced a 14b locally in nice shape for 40 bucks. i was able to bend the stock coolant lines to work with it. bought a ss oil feed line to head for a 1g think that was like 25 bucks from jnz. plugged the line to the oil filter housing. and you can use a stock oil return from a 2 g you just have to slot the bolt holes so it will bolt to the tdo5 turbo. got new gaskets and j pipe and that was it for install. if your sill running the stock smic. you would have to work out a solution for your intake piping to make it work with that turbo as well. im currently running a fmic setup so the intake piping needs would vary depending on the setup.

Cdc1221 said:

Wrong. A 14b with jpipe and oil feed will run you in the neighborhood of $250 used whereas a good used t28 will run $500, and $1k new.
The only real benefit to using a t28 on a 2g is in strict emissions testing where the turbo has to appear to be stock. For most, this isnt an issue so a tdo5 variant will suffice

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If you're patient and know where to look, you could get a hell of a deal on a big t28/t28. Just bought a brand new still in box from FP big t28 for $595 shipped

I'd say for a beginner with these cars, just find a good condition 14b. The Jafromobile video posted above give you a good idea of the amount of work involved. Do some research on what you all need to purchase along with the 14b, to make for an easy install. $200 is what I would expect you'd end up spending if you did a little bit of DIY to re-use your oil return and coolant lines.

What you need to do first, before blowing money on a new/ larger turbo is get the supporting mods first. Check the upgrade path to figure out what you need before you "bolt on" more power and ruin your DSM. If you're gonna do it, do it right!
Tech Guide: 2G 4G63t Upgrades - DSMtuners

Blazin-Penguin said:

Alright thanks. So 16g and 14b sound like the best way to go in the end. I know the 14b instal is pretty simple, but what about a 16g, how big of a pain is that.

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To answer your question directly (since no one else saw it I guess) a 14b install is going to be almost identical to a 16g install. If you can do a 14b install into a 2G you can do a 16g install no problem. I would also agree w/ DSM_ProspecT right above me and make sure you have at least a boost gauge and a wideband so you know what is going on down there. Also, 16g's have a tendency to "creep" a little sometimes (every setup is different) so a wideband is great to make sure you are not leaning it out if the boost goes up a little when you don't want it to.

Another sidenote: A 16g isn't going to feel much better at stock boost so don't expect much until you can get a way to tune and upgrade your fuel. My Evo III 16g is actually a little slower than my T25. I have it set to 10psi and have not done any fuel mods yet.

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To answer your question directly (since no one else saw it I guess) a 14b install is going to be almost identical to a 16g install. If you can do a 14b install into a 2G you can do a 16g install no problem. I would also agree w/ DSM_ProspecT right above me and make sure you have at least a boost gauge and a wideband so you know what is going on down there. Also, 16g's have a tendency to "creep" a little sometimes (every setup is different) so a wideband is great to make sure you are not leaning it out if the boost goes up a little when you don't want it to.

Another sidenote: A 16g isn't going to feel much better at stock boost so don't expect much until you can get a way to tune and upgrade your fuel. My Evo III 16g is actually a little slower than my T25. I have it set to 10psi and have not done any fuel mods yet.

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I have to agree with this as well. Since my t25 blew, I installed a small 16g spare I had laying around from my last dsm. I ended up replacing it and since im still only running 10psi (due to no fuel upgrades yet), I cant even tell the difference between my small and my t25. As DSM_prospecT mentioned, make sure to due your proper maintenance first or you can potentially end up with tons of issues down the road.

Find a good used 14b, then either buy a 2g install kit or tweak your existing oil/water lines to fit. This can be done for cheap. This will get you back up and running to where you were with the T25. Then concentrate on putting in your supporting mods, like bigger injectors, fuel pump and rewire, wideband and boost gauges, bigger pipes, etc... This will put you in a position to do a straight and easy swap to a 16g afterwards for just the cost of the turbo.

Ok it seems a 14b or T28 is the route to go...for now. Im not quite sure what aspirations I have for the car yet, so Im going to keep it conservative, but still fun. Thanks for the opinions

I reccomend a td05h you can push plenty of boost and they are reliable turbo. get a 16g its really all you will ever need unless you plan on building it like crazy

Ok sooo another question (keep in mind, Im fairly new to forced induction). So I did a little research on T28's, and I'm confused as ever. I see T28's for 240's, civics, etc. Only when I searched "big" t28 did I get anything specific to a dsm. So i guess my question is, what is the difference (Im assuming bolt patterns, size) and how can I be sure Im looking at the correct one for a 4g63?

I personally woiuld run the 16g u get better spool and alot more power of ## turbo. Again like said before definitely do the supporting mods first becuase turbo isnt the only thing ## gonna wana change after u get used to the power.

A t-28 for a Dsm will have a bolt on housing for a Dsm. If you search Dsm t-28 on google or on this site you will see the difference

GSXturboSPOOOL said:

I reccomend a td05h you can push plenty of boost and they are reliable turbo. get a 16g its really all you will ever need unless you plan on building it like crazy

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97 laser. Your car must be rare

^^bahahahahaha

I would say go with a 16g. Its a pretty easy swap and a proven turbo as long as you don't get a cheap aftermarket one. You will be glad you did.

you may have trouble finding a mitsu big t28 because like someone said they are rare unless you buy a re manufactured one from FP.

I recommend a 16g there a lot of styles. Big 16g for slower spool but better high end, small 16g for quick spool like the t2small and more mid range power and evo 3 16g which is basically best of both worlds and capable of 350 hp max.

also dont use a manual boost controller until you get a wideband so youll know when the higher boost is hurting your motor. imo you want a turbo that is big enough so you can run the boost you want w/o maxing out the turbo and big enough supporting mods that you can run a big turbo and desired boost w/o maxing your injectors ect. while avoiding boost creep at the same time w/ external wastegate or port/tuning.

basically im asking you to turn your boost down form now on and youll be glad you did in the long run

14b? 16g? t28? so many options.......
What do you want to do with the car? If you are even thinking about autocross that t28 is the way to go.
It looks stock so keeps you in the stock class. Go 16g and It puts you in a much faster class.

If you are just doing the street show off thing, then 16g is the way to go. It will have enough power for a long time.
As everyone else said once you start down the road of bigger and better, your tuning, and fuel system have to match.
Get a 16g and the then you start thinking about 3" exhaust, bigger injectors, bigger fuel pump, afpr, fmic, way to tune, etc...... you get the picture.

99ECLIPSEGSXDSM said:

A t-28 for a Dsm will have a bolt on housing for a Dsm. If you search Dsm t-28 on google or on this site you will see the difference



97 laser. Your car must be rare

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o thanks i didn't even notice
But seriously do a 16g td05h evo III turbo i love mine.