I was thinking about getting this for a first big mod 95 99 Eclipse 2 0L L4 Non Turbo Cold Air Intake Header Burnt Tip Catback Muffler | eBay

Its your money to waste, but youll see mayyybe 5 hp gain from that. doubtful youd even feel that

Cdc1221 said:

Its your money to waste, but youll see mayyybe 5 hp gain from that. doubtful youd even feel that

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Wont feel a thing, I can confirm that.

Here is a good read for the OP.

http://www.importtuner.com/powerpages/0202it_1999_mitsubishi_eclipse_rs/

So you would be expecting about a 4 HP gain over stock.

I added a bunch of mods to my 420A 10 years ago. Didn't do a damn thing other than looks.

Apexi N1 Exhaust
AFX Underdrive Pulley
HP Header
AEM Cold Air Intake
DSMTuner stickers

Believe me when I say this, the stickers added the most HP.

Good luck.

Achelea said:

Nothing worse than throwing a few grand to grab a car cause it's close, cheap, or already modded, only to go broke cause the previous owner modded wrong, or put cheap parts on and you are trying to fix it right.

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Exactly! When people ask if they got a good price on their DSM, it is so hard to give them a good answer without seeing the car in person. You may get an AWD 2g for $900 but if you have to put in a new head gasket, turbo, door handles, headliner, windshield, radiator, etc. I'll be darned if you got a good deal. After repairs (and your time!) you will have wasted your money.

Hi-flow air filter, maybe a set of cheap eBay headers and exhaust. That is the most I would spend on a 420a and even that will only give you maybe 10hp max. Really, I would concentrate on looks (Rims, buff/detail paint, etc) with a car like that and if you want power, plan on getting a turbo version later. You will save your yourself time, money, and aggravation.

AdamWawrzyniak said:

I was thinking about getting this for a first big mod 95 99 Eclipse 2 0L L4 Non Turbo Cold Air Intake Header Burnt Tip Catback Muffler | eBay

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There you go man.. $200 an you're all done with engine mod's. That's not too much money really and will look and sound a little cooler than stock and that is worth something. The is all I would spend on mod's though. Anything else and you're just wasting money that could be saved to buy a turbo version later. Instead of it being "my first big mod" I would change that to say "my only big engine related mod".

Yeah thanks guys, im looking around to trade my gs in for a gsx hopefully i find something soon.

AdamWawrzyniak said:

Yeah thanks guys, im looking around to trade my gs in for a gsx hopefully i find something soon.

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The best mod for the 420A owner is knocking out the floor and Fred Flinstoning that shit.

Go push your mop bucket.

Is it possible to just swap a 6 bolt 4g63t into his NA? im sure some of the harness will be a little different, but isnt this an alternative? I could imagine getting a used engine (then rebuilding it) would be in the $800-1500 range if he did the work himself.

n0de said:

Is it possible to just swap a 6 bolt 4g63t into his NA? im sure some of the harness will be a little different, but isnt this an alternative? I could imagine getting a used engine (then rebuilding it) would be in the $800-1500 range if he did the work himself.

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No. The engine is turned 180 degrees and the mounts are way different. The money spent he could build a 10 second dsm.

98_silvergs said:

I added a bunch of mods to my 420A 10 years ago. Didn't do a damn thing other than looks.

Apexi N1 Exhaust
AFX Underdrive Pulley
HP Header
AEM Cold Air Intake
DSMTuner stickers

Believe me when I say this, the stickers added the most HP.

Good luck.

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And there is your answer. Don't waste your money on intake/exhaust etc. Everyone gets tempted to buy the shiny stuff, I just did, but once you remember you won't even feel the difference, it's not worth it. Keep it reliable and enjoy the good gas mileage.

i think the exhaust is worth it for the sound alone. a GOOD set up exhaust on the 420a is one of the sexiest exhaust sounds on a I4. the only engine sounds i like better are the subie's flat 4 rumble, a skyline straight 6 and a supra straight 6.

Put an exhaust on it and a cold air intake. Lower it and put it on a nice pair of rims, maybe put a nice sound system in it and call it a day. The GS is a good car as a point a to point b car. Anything can be made fast if you have the dough but a GST or GSX has a much higher HP gain to dollars spent ratio. I saw a magazine once that had a 'average guy' 420a build up, they put I think $2000 dollars into it, and they gained like 15hp. It's a complete waste of time unless you go forced induction.

the higher your miles, the less HP you made anyway.

like my engine for example. headers, high flow cat, 2.5 piping, vibrant resonator, magnaflow muffler. AEM CAI, MSD coilpack and spark plug wires.

my dyno numbers are over there
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that was on an engine with 175,000 miles on it.
now approaching 200k =D

though i've had a 400 (ish) hp 420a before (read sig)
it's pointless. fail wheel drive just murders all fun you could have in the car.
sure, on a higway it could stomp most cars from a roll, but really... kinda stupid.

TurboLaserRS said:

It's a complete waste of time unless you go forced induction.

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Exactly. Not just 420a either, all 4-cylinder engines are pretty much useless without a turbo. These aren't 350 small block engines where a cam and some headers will make a world of difference. 4-bangers are small, cheap, economically friendly engines. You have to force air down their throat to make any real power.

okay im looking to sell this for a turboed one

Here is proof that you can put a 4G63 engine in a RS or GS.

Evo 4g63? No one said it COULDENT BE DONE, it's just nit easy or economical, lots of custom fab.

im just looking to trade cars with someone i just want a turbo!!!!!

If your going to buy a turbo model then the best advice I can give you is be patient a find the right car. Dont go and buy the first turbo model you find just because its turbo. Try and find yourself something that is well taken care of and is in good mechanical/cosmetic condition.

Oh no OP has got the "I just bought it and don't want it" I've had that problem with women before but never a car!

I would just keep the car if it's mechanically ok and looks decent. Drive it and save money for a turbo/awd model or gulp (didn't say this)maybe an evo. Put the car on a tasteful weight loss program, maintenance, and maybe do some minor performance mods. Drive it.

yeah i no i have to sell or trade this car in for one. Hopefully soon

Any reason we have 4g63 guys in here telling us to sell our cars and buy a gst/gsx ? READ THE FORUM RULES and GTFO with your shenanigans!

AdamWawrzyniak said:

yeah i no i have to sell or trade this car in for one. Hopefully soon

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You don't, and don't listen to the 4g63 guys, they should not even be in here.

As long as you build up the block with forged internals you will handle PSI just fine.

The 2000-3000k you use to go buy a beater 4g63 "with a decent chance of crank walk and that has been beat to death" You can start getting parts collected.

You can be original and one of the few to build the 420a.

Zero on here is producing 718+ ponies with his 420a.

Imagine how mad mr 4g63 would be when he gets whupped by a 420a, priceless.

rough said:

Any reason we have 4g63 guys in here telling us to sell our cars and buy a gst/gsx ? READ THE FORUM RULES and GTFO with your shenanigans!



You don't, and don't listen to the 4g63 guys, they should not even be in here.

As long as you build up the block with forged internals you will handle PSI just fine.

The 2000-3000k you use to go buy a beater 4g63 "with a decent chance of crank walk and that has been beat to death" You can start getting parts collected.

You can be original and one of the few to build the 420a.

Zero on here is producing 718+ ponies with his 420a.

Imagine how mad mr 4g63 would be when he gets whupped by a 420a, priceless.

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Oh gawd, here we go again.

There is nothing in the forum rules stating that you can't say a 4g63 is cheaper and faster per dollar than the 420a. It's fact.

Pretty sure anybody can go anywhere so long as they post valid information.

Right, the 420a needs forged internals to handle boost. The 4g63 has handled 9 second 1/4 miles on the stock internals. No debate here, the 4g is stronger.

For 2-3k you get a beater 420a that will take 2-3k to reliably turbocharge. I'm not even going to touch the "crankwalk" comment, we all know the truth about that rumor.

No, many have built the 420a. NA and turbo. Very impressive builds as well, some that would walk most any street-driven 4g63 on this site. So not very original, not even close to easy or cheap.

Brent Rau's 4g63 is producing 1400hp, so what's your point?

Mr. 4g63 can respect fast for fast. Mr. 4g63 can't lie and say that it won't cost 2-4x more to build a 420a with equal horsepower. And the OP has clearly stated that he's about going fast for cheap, not sticking to his guns and building a 420a. Kudos to the guys who do, I'm always down to cheer on the underdog. I can't cheer on the typical guy we see around here once a month, who comes in and starts bashing 4g63 guys for giving honest advice.

WES_393 said:

Oh gawd, here we go again.

There is nothing in the forum rules stating that you can't say a 4g63 is cheaper and faster per dollar than the 420a. It's fact.

Pretty sure anybody can go anywhere so long as they post valid information.

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We have a rule against advising members to sell their 420A and buy a 4G63 if that's not what they asked. The OP did not ask if he should sell his car, so the rule was broken.

http://www.dsmtuners.com/forums/420...-read-before-you-post-420a-forums-warned.html