I've been digging the FP Turbo's for my 1st upgrade maybe a Green as an alternative to the EVO III

hey guys i have a 1g talon and am wondering if my mhi small 16g is cabable of producing 400 plus hp. ayone have any word on this? maybe a mod list

Not on its own it won't... Good luck trying though!!

do you know its limits??
the mhi small 16g im at around 300 hp now. with my injectors in and a good tune i imagine i could almost get to 400 hp, maybe not. any advice?

I didnt see any fuel mods on your profile. But with a wally 255, bigger injectors and your supporting mods id say you could get 350hp out of it.

Red 1g talon said:

do you know its limits??

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If the stars align, 36 lb/min or 360 crank horsepower which translates into 280-300 wheel horsepower at the max....unless your setup is extremely efficient, at which point you should probably be using a larger turbo anyway.

Red 1g talon said:

the mhi small 16g im at around 300 hp now. with my injectors in and a good tune i imagine i could almost get to 400 hp, maybe not. any advice?

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Somehow I'm getting the feeling that you're nowhere near 300whp right now.

Stock your car would be rated at 195 crank horsepower, so around 150-160whp. It takes more than a turbo just one size larger than stock to double your horsepower. Good guess, though.

Red 1g talon said:

do you know its limits??
the mhi small 16g im at around 300 hp now. with my injectors in and a good tune i imagine i could almost get to 400 hp, maybe not. any advice?

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JusMX141 said:

Somehow I'm getting the feeling that you're nowhere near 300whp right now.

Stock your car would be rated at 195 crank horsepower, so around 150-160whp. It takes more than a turbo just one size larger than stock to double your horsepower. Good guess, though.

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The good news is that you can achieve low 12's pretty easily on a S16G. I did it back in the day with a turbo back, FMIC, and DSMlink on a stock engine @ only 19psi. A buddy of mine went 12.30's on his S16G as well. I have no idea what kind of power I was making because I've never taken the car to a dyno.

Well 300 hp is my estimate. I have a built 6 bolt with fresh bearing, eagle rods, wiseco stock compression pistons and rings, stock head, crower 272 cams, FMIC , wide band 02 , . I'm all but ready for my bigger injectors, and my dsm link . 400 hp is just screaming in my ear. I want it so bad

Red 1g talon said:

Well 300 hp is my estimate. I have a built 6 bolt with fresh bearing, eagle rods, wiseco stock compression pistons and rings, stock head, crower 272 cams, FMIC , wide band 02 , .

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...and I'm saying your estimate is inaccurate. You're nowhere near 300whp with the stock ECU's rich tune and stock injectors no matter how built your engine is. If you do eventually achieve 400hp with a Small 16G you will be the first person to do so in the DSM platform.

What's your pro hp estimate?

Ps, thanks for your input

I'm not here to guess how much power you're making....neither is anyone else on this site. Take it to a dyno if you're that curious.

You could take it to the track and see what your trap speed is and weigh the car to get a rough estimate, or pay to get it dynoed like Justin said. DSMLink has a good HP estimator built in when you do decide to buy it.

yes . im not to worried about numbers, just curious. thanks guys. just in the quest for more power. saving up for the link right now. allready have 650 cc injectors. hopefully when i have it running good zo6s and cobras will see my tail lights. and i want to get rid of my fuel cut. its depressing

Red 1g talon said:

yes . im not to worried about numbers, just curious. thanks guys. just in the quest for more power. saving up for the link right now. allready have 650 cc injectors. hopefully when i have it running good zo6s and cobras will see my tail lights. and i want to get rid of my fuel cut. its depressing

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I know what you mean, you want to keep track of your progress.

If you are using your butt dyno to make hp estimates in the early mod stages, here's what happens:
You have stock injectors, stock ecu, stock MAF, and stock fuel pump. You put on a good downpipe, 3" exhaust, and go catless, and BAM you hit fuel cut. But wow what an increase in thrust you get from the exhaust goodies (until fuel cut hits). Maybe 60 or 70 ft-lbs more torque than you had before. But what rpm do you hit fuel cut at? Probably 5000 or less on a 1990. Remember that HP is proportional to RPM. So your max HP number is not really that much better than it was before, because before, even though your torque was less, you were able to wind it to higher rpm. When you get your injectors, fuel pump, decent MAF (the 1g maf is useless), and tunable ecu with no fuel cut in there, then you can carry the increased torque up the rev band, where it gives the big HP numbers.
HP=torque x RPM divided by 5252

Whats up guys...just blew out my stock t25 and I was wondering what turbos directly bolt on to the stock manifold?

There are many that will fit your stock manifold.
If you are just looking for a cheap replacement, a small 16G is a great choice.

Well I was looking to get something better than the stock t25 but not too big whereas I can use the stock fuel system still to run it...? like a 14b or maybe a t28...would that be a good idea? I found a couple for cheap that's why I'm thinking one of those...will they bolt on direct?

An even cheaper replacement would be the 14b (stock 1g manual turbo and flows more than t25). I guess it depends on your goals though. small 16g>14b>T25. If you go with the 16g or 14b you'll need a j pipe, water lines, and oil lines.

edit: ^^T28 is direct bolt up including the lines.

Imo Id go 14b people make plenty of power with them. It would serve you just as well as a stock replacement.

Ok cool and how hard is it to swap it in..? What lines and stuff do I need to install it...?

Is the t28 better than the 14b?

It's easy. You can use a stock 1G Jpipe, stock 1G oil feed, stock 2G coolant lines, and for the oil drain line you can get a stock 1G drain or drill the holes out on your 2G line.

A 14B is great, but a small 16G will give you a little room to grow.

A big t28 has more potential then a 14b but it cost around 500ish used and a 14b for 100ish + install kit.

Garrett T25
Garrett T28 (using a modified T25 turbo or TB2578/GT2560)
MHI TD04 13G
MHI TD05H 14B
MHI TD05H 16G
MHI TD05H Big 16G
MHI TD05H Evo III 16G
18G (built by various vendors)
FP 18G-6SL2 (Discontinued)
FP DSM68HTA (Discontinued)
TD05H 20G
TD06 20G
TD06H 20G
FP HTA71
FP 20G-6SL2 (Discontinued)
Frank L1 20G
Frank L2 20G
Frank L3 20G
Frank L4 20G
Frank L5 20G
Frank L6 20G
Frank L7 20G
FP DSM Green
FP DSM Red
FP 3052
FP 3065
FP HTA76
FP DSM76
FP DSM82
FP DSM86
Holset HX35 (w/ purchase of BEP turbine housing)
Holset HX40 (w/ purchase of BEP turbine housing)
Bullseye Power T04B M-Trim
Bullseye Power T04B V-Trim
Bullseye Power T04E 50-trim
Bullseye Power T04E 57-trim
Bullseye Power T04E 60-1
Bullseye Power S200 Series
Bullseye Power S300 Series
SBR / Kinetic G50
SBR / Kinetic G60
Precision SCM5027E
Precision SCM5031E
Precision SCM3227E
Precision SCM3231E
Precision SCM4431E
Precision SCM5252E
Precision SCM6031E
Precision SCM6052E
Precision SCM6152E/S
Precision SCM6169E/S
Precision SCM6176E/S
Turbonetics- anything with a DSM bolt-on turbine housing

I'm sure I'm forgetting something...there are about a hundred more hybrids out there.

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That's why he's the turbo guru! As Justin listed, there are a ton of options out there, you just have to choose based on what your goals are. Remember also, get something with room to grow so you don't have to buy a bunch of different turbos as I'm sure once you step up from the T25 the hp big is going to bite and you will forever be on the quest for more. So think of your goals and also consider future plans when you choose.

The next week i'll buy a turbo holset, But which is better
Hybrid hx35/hx40
HE351.
I want to make 500 awdhp.
Thanks