congrats!

Great times! Congrats

Nice, stock motors work better than most people give them credit for. That sixty can still get better even on those tires. Spend some time on the suspension and you'll find a couple tenths.

Definately some left even in these tires, but it's tough to get good track prep paired with a nice low temperature at a test-n-tune, maybe later in the year. I've cut a couple mid 1.6's and I know some people have even hit low 1.6's and a few high 1.5's.

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As I said last night Shane congrats. Your car gives me hope for this turd I have with an evo3 on it .

talontd92tsi said:

As I said last night Shane congrats. Your car gives me hope for this turd I have with an evo3 on it .

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Hey Jeff! Evo III should rip, unless of course you want to donate it to the quest for 10's cause

Not yet. Ill give it up when I get bored with it, and being that my boost controller is sitting in the garage, and I'm only running about 9psi right now, I think that may be a while. A few little things to sort out yet.

1. Why the HELL does the CAS plug keep popping off right at 6k RPM at WOT causing my heart to stop beating, and an causing a remotely embarassing moment (WOT then coast to stop, open hood, click, start and leave )?
2. Is that the reason for the weird intermittent miss at 6-6500 under load?
3. If not, why the miss? .

Enough about my pile. Big ups for driving the snot out of that thing. I would like to see 11.7's off the bottle. I think if you can nail that 1.65 again you can do it with good track prep and a clean pass.

talontd92tsi said:

Not yet. Ill give it up when I get bored with it, and being that my boost controller is sitting in the garage, and I'm only running about 9psi right now, I think that may be a while. A few little things to sort out yet.

1. Why the HELL does the CAS plug keep popping off right at 6k RPM at WOT causing my heart to stop beating, and an causing a remotely embarassing moment (WOT then coast to stop, open hood, click, start and leave )?
2. Is that the reason for the weird intermittent miss at 6-6500 under load?
3. If not, why the miss? .

Enough about my pile. Big ups for driving the snot out of that thing. I would like to see 11.7's off the bottle. I think if you can nail that 1.65 again you can do it with good track prep and a clean pass.

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I have a zip tie over my CAS plug for that exact reason!

Good possibility of it causing the miss, only way to find out is to make sure it stays down tight.

Thanks for the props, I'm getting better at the driving thing, but still not good! I'd suspect the car could go into the 11.7's on the street tires with the proper 60 ft. I'd like to experiment with the tune some more too, obviously could go leaner on E-85 and I've never ran over 21 psi at the track so there could be more power there. For now though, I'm just excited about getting an 11!

With some good track prep and your AFR in the high 11.9-12.3 range I could see you clicking off some 11.60's

SBstar said:

I have a zip tie over my CAS plug for that exact reason!

Good possibility of it causing the miss, only way to find out is to make sure it stays down tight.

Thanks for the props, I'm getting better at the driving thing, but still not good! I'd suspect the car could go into the 11.7's on the street tires with the proper 60 ft. I'd like to experiment with the tune some more too, obviously could go leaner on E-85 and I've never ran over 21 psi at the track so there could be more power there. For now though, I'm just excited about getting an 11!

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DSMTyson said:

With some good track prep and your AFR in the high 11.9-12.3 range I could see you clicking off some 11.60's

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QFT.

I was running 23psi on the 14b on evo9 560's and a 190 pump with zero knock on 93 in the laser, but above that it didnt seem to gain much power. I am sure that with e85 in the tank and the much larger injectors you have you can most definitely run that much.

I would turn it up to 22-23 ish, lean her out till the range stated by DSMTyson, and see what that nets you. If your knock free, id start adding a timing 1 degree at a time, see the slightest bit of knock, back it off 2 degrees. That's my personal rule (and I am by far not a professional tuner ). There might be 11.50s in there if you really push it a little more. Maybe slip the clutch just a TAD longer to keep those tires from completely breaking loose. I can launch as such and dead hook on the street every time, but on the track I always seem to dump the clutch harder and end up in a cloud of tire smoke.

Definitely going to try the zip tie thing, Just never been a fan of that, but function over form I guess. It always seems to pop off EXACTLY at the same RPM (~6000) and that is where it starts breaking up too. The last time it did it, It started missing, so I lifted and slowed down (was only in 2nd gear trying to replicate the miss). Started into the throttle again, and it completely popped off at 6k, shutting the car down in front of ehh, 15 people? .

DSM's always seem to break down seriously when NOBODY is around, and a stupid vacuum line (or in my case sensor) plug pops off randomly when the entire congregation is watching. .

I'm not going to get ahead of myself, only 4 people have gone 11.5 or faster. I'm fairly certain it's not going to happen on street tires. But, I'd love to prove myself wrong.

Last years 12.05 was at 12.5:1 AFR's and peak timing of 22-23* with boost at 21 psi. I've leaned on it before but I'm going to make small conservative changes this time around and make sure it's going in the right direction.

Well. Zip tie proves ineffective at preventing miss. Almost sounds like Detonation. Need to get the logger set up. but the damn Palm keeps going all flaky. I am going to check the base timing to see if that is right.

Additionally, I have been noticing what I believe is the car adjusting the fuel trims. When I first start the car, it wants to idle pretty damn rich (like 13.4-13.6) until it runs for about... 30 seconds, then it slowly moves to 14.6/7 or so within a few minutes, and I think the BISS needs adjusted. Cold idle is like 1900 rpm, slowly coming down to 700ish, and idles pretty rough down there.

Then theres the random miss at idle that for the life of me I cant figure out. I just kinda attributed it to the hacked 1g maf.

Little things that are bugging the balls off of me.

Back on topic.

Prove everyone wrong. I fully believe that one perfect pass, with you getting more aggressive on the tune, can net a 11.6 maybe a 11.599 which would be just awesome. I wonder how many of the people who have gone faster than you on the 14b have done so using full street radials. (not Drag radials) ?

On a stock block with fuel,driveshaft,and head mods..Thats impressive.

SBstar said:

I'm not going to get ahead of myself, only 4 people have gone 11.5 or faster. I'm fairly certain it's not going to happen on street tires. But, I'd love to prove myself wrong.

Last years 12.05 was at 12.5:1 AFR's and peak timing of 22-23* with boost at 21 psi. I've leaned on it before but I'm going to make small conservative changes this time around and make sure it's going in the right direction.

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I'm not saying to do what you did when you ran the 12.05. But simply stating to lean it out little by little to about 12.3 and see if you feel any improvements next time. If you don't run any faster, or if its not worth the minimal gain in power vs reliability of the car, dial it back. Better safe then sorry.\

Congrats on the time!

Only other street tire 11's on the 14b (without nitrous) that I know of for sure was David Womer when he did his 11.98, his first time in the 11's. But, I'm not trying to state any "record" for 14b street tires or anything, the only record that matters to me is the AWD and the overall one. Not sure if I should even seperate the AWD/FWD.

I'm not disagreeing that there is more power to be made by leaning out a little and maybe a touch more timing, just that I don't think it's going to be any huge improvement. But, with the 14b every couple hundredths is an improvement to be considered! I'm just going to make small changes at a time and see if there are improvements, such as pulling a % between runs instead of just leaning it out all at once.

Also I completely understand what you guys are saying, it'll be great to go faster and I appreciate the suggestions, but I'm pretty stoked about 11.9 right now

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Well. Zip tie proves ineffective at preventing miss. Almost sounds like Detonation. Need to get the logger set up. but the damn Palm keeps going all flaky. I am going to check the base timing to see if that is right.

Additionally, I have been noticing what I believe is the car adjusting the fuel trims. When I first start the car, it wants to idle pretty damn rich (like 13.4-13.6) until it runs for about... 30 seconds, then it slowly moves to 14.6/7 or so within a few minutes, and I think the BISS needs adjusted. Cold idle is like 1900 rpm, slowly coming down to 700ish, and idles pretty rough down there.

Then theres the random miss at idle that for the life of me I cant figure out. I just kinda attributed it to the hacked 1g maf.

Little things that are bugging the balls off of me.
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Rabbit trailing my own thread. I guess I forgot, you don't have V3 lite anymore? I know people have been doing it a long time but hacked maf's are kind of a pain and can cause some weird issues. With that said I did run one for quite a while with success but adjustments in Link, might still have it laying around if you want it or think yours is bad. You know the basics though, boost leak test everything and fix it, make sure the ecu is good, no leaky caps, base timing dead on, etc.

Nope. Link went with the laser when it sold. I will be getting it over the winter because this palm bs is for the birds. I just need to find the time to go check the dumb stuff. Maybe this afternoon.

Sick Shane! I knew you'd be next in the 11's! Cool that you're in this elite group! I'm sure you can attest to the fact that it's neither easy, nor a walk in the park to crack the 12.0 nut on the 14b. Congrats!

Phil1320 said:

Sick Shane! I knew you'd be next in the 11's! Cool that you're in this elite group! I'm sure you can attest to the fact that it's neither easy or a walk in the park to crack the 12.0 nut on the 14b. Congrats!

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No walk in the park for sure! Thanks Phil! So where are all those people that were going to blow Bucci's record out of the water anyways? It's very tough taking a power limited platform this quick, I couldn't have done it without guys like Phil who paved the path. Even with their example it isn't/wasn't easy at all. It won't be that easy to go faster either, but I'll get there

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No walk in the park for sure! Thanks Phil! So where are all those people that were going to blow Bucci's record out of the water anyways?

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This was my exact thought when I found out you hit the 11's......hell, I'll be back out before those guys run any numbers. It was easy to detect just by the way that they talked, that they were just that, talkers.

.............no way. HAHA

Phil1320 said:

This was my exact thought when I found out you hit the 11's......hell I'll be back out before those guys run any numbers. It was easy to detect just by the way that they talked, that they were just that, talkers.

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^^ Truth.

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^^ Truth.

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Well...it is. I mean coming up here with a list of ''exotic'' mods and a dyno sheet, but then have ZERO to back it up?! Then name dropping(Curt Brown)to further ''support'' your validity. Gimmie a break. But, the true signs of weakness came through when I laid down a challenge to run them.....so if you're out there, 2013 bring it.

Phil1320 said:

Well...it is. I mean coming up here with a list of ''exotic'' mods and a dyno sheet, but then have ZERO to back it up?! Then name dropping(Curt Brown)to further ''support'' your validity. Gimmie a break. But, the true signs of weakness came through when I laid down a challenge to run them.....so if you're out there, 2013 bring it.

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Shhh it takes 3 years to build and install an aluminum rod motor, duh, he's still on track.



SBstar: rock on! seriously, you next mod should be wheels/slicks. Thats the most gain you can make now IMHO; cutting that 1.7 down to 1.4's

Wow 11s on a 14b congrats. Really like your car its clean.

Nate Crisman said:

Shhh it takes 3 years to build and install an aluminum rod motor, duh, he's still on track.



SBstar: rock on! seriously, you next mod should be wheels/slicks. Thats the most gain you can make now IMHO; cutting that 1.7 down to 1.4's

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Phil and I were just talking about that yesterday. There's alot of mods I'd like to do, but none would net me anywhere near the gains that a lighter weight set of wheels and slicks would do. It's tough to do slicks when you drive your car to the track, but I can throw them in the back and swap them and run. Or, I can step up and get a tow vehicle, already have a trailer I can use It's cool to be able to say I hit 11's on a 14b with street tires but from here on out who cares.