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Pirrofab

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Sep 2, 2006
gouldsboro, Pennsylvania
My check engine light came on other day during drive to work in pouring rain and large puddles but went out about 15 minutes later, no noticeable change in performance and nothing weird with anything else. I work for a shop so I hooked up the snap on scanner and scanned for codes, code 31 knock sensor came up along with 4 other "undocumented codes" (e2,e4,e8,e9). In the snap on scan tool is a troubleshooter and it says that the code is set after no knock is detected over 2500rpm and it will use a low octane timing curve as oppose to a high octane timing curve. I am also experiancing a slight miss at w.o.t. Would code 31 set from having to much knock the and the ecu pull timing or is code 31 set from only the ecu losing signal from the knock sensor?
Since then I have cleared the code and for curiousity I checked and regapped the plugs to .28 ( only one was opened to .34) and the idle even seems smoother but w.o.t still has a very slight miss. I have not been able to check for boost leaks but im not noticing weird a/f ratios I'm tuned for 20psi 11.8afr. could this be to lean for pump gas and is it just simply pulling timing? Since that time I have not been able to recheck for codes but the light has not come back on and a slight miss is still there at w.o.t
I have also noticed on my safc2 that the knock setting is just not reading any knock. I do not have a data logger but what I can tell you is that this problem was there before I upgraded my fpr, injectors, 2gmaf, safc2. It might also help that it seems like it is only at W.O.T once I back off the throttle it seems to smooth out. I have done a tps sweep using the safc2 and the snap on scanner and they do not show any issues at w.o.t dropping voltage or showing concern. Timing is set to 5BTDC and tps at idle reads .6volts if its any help to trying to get some ideas about this.
Since I get discounted parts I was thinking about just putting in a knock sensor and wiring up an led to flash on my dashboard if excessive knock is occuring but then I was thinking that the l.e.d. might mess with the signal from the knock sensor. Is there any issues with that?

:talon:
 
Let me be the first to say that the AFC's reading of knock is not accurate. Just pick up a logger set-up. You can find them for $50 no problem. Even cheaper if you make your own cable, then all you need is the Palm, and the free software. I've seen Palm M100's go for $10 on ebay.
Normally you can tell if your knock sensor is bad when it leaks the black goo inside and are notorious for going out around 80k miles I believe.
 
I have a friend with a logger I just have to get to his house and try it sometime I guess. with 185k on the clock I think it would be safe to say that the sensor is more then dead then or atleast dieing, I'll have to reach back ther and see whats goin on i guess

Geez, alot of views but not alot of answers or just ideas to bounce some thoughts around on the subject.
 
It's really difficult to read unformated text nowdays.

There are no undocumented codes on a 1G which makes me wonder the validity of what you read with that scanner.

You can't a LED to the knock sensor. It doesn't work that way. The sensor is a microphone and the ECU processes the audio to find the sounds of knocking. The SAFC compares the sounds from the training you do to what it's hearing and then tries to decide if that is knock. It doesn't work the same as the ECU and may load the signal to the ECU. That's why I don't even connect the purple wire.

If your sensor is original it's likely gooey toast.
 
Well I have seen it done with my friends car that has dsm link where his check engine light is wired up to it so when knock is noticed the light flashes similar to an obd2 vehicle with a misfire monitor so I thought an led wired to the knock sensor would work. As far as the undocumented codes on the scanner i was confused with them as well unless thats the scanner noticing differences in airflow because of the safc and the injectors running slightly different resistance then stock? Im probably thinking to far into it. Could it also be that the undocumented codes could be emissions control codes? I do have a few emissions tubes deleted but since my car is obd1 I don't think it would detect it. Thanks for the input. BTW, What do you mean unformatted text?
 
Well I have seen it done with my friends car that has dsm link where his check engine light is wired up to it so when knock is noticed the light flashes similar to an obd2 vehicle with a misfire monitor so I thought an led wired to the knock sensor would work.

That's a function of DSMLink.

Unformatted means without regard to paragraphs or content. There are lots of new threads posted. If your question isn't clearly presented most of us are just going to click on the next one rather than try and wade through an jumble of text and figure out what your trying to say.

It's like bait when your fishing for answers.
 
I know have heard about how much of a pain it is to get to the knock sensor so is there a shortcut? Being as mine is fwd I figure it would be easier from underneath since the transfer case isn't in my way if I can snake my hand up the back of the block?
 
I also have a 92 GSX that pulled the knock sensor code this weeked as well as 4 unknown error codes ( using snap-on Mobis)

The error codes are as follows
0228
0229
0230
0231

Would really like to know what these are as well, let me know if you have found anything out on it.

And sorry this is the closest post i could find with information regarding my issue, sorry for the ressurection.
 
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