IMO, this would be a big seller if it was anywhere near on par with the FP race DSM flanged manifold. It seems like any time it's been brought up, it gets ignored.

I'm just wondering who else out there feels the same way I do?

probably because dsm flange manifolds are harder to come by in the aftermarket then t3 and they wanted to stay loyal to dsms? go buy a tubular T3 man.

Probably because the tooling (mold) needed to cast is expensive and the profit wouldn't be there in this platform.

urbansmoker1 said:

probably because dsm flange manifolds are harder to come by in the aftermarket then t3 and they wanted to stay loyal to dsms? go buy a tubular T3 man.

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Well that would be one thought. A "decent" tubular is $700+ and they generate too much heat for me. I'm sure you'll say get it ceramic coated, not only does it cover up the beauty of those perfect welds but it is extra money.

Anyway this is just an out of curiosity thread so no need for any sarcasm.

FP's vehicle-specific DSM turbo lineup fits the manifold they have designed for our cars.

T3 flanges are, and always have been, considered a "universal" flange. I guess FP figures by the time you've reached the T3 platform you're likely looking at custom tubular manifolds for your build instead of a cast vehicle-specific manifold.

^So wise

jjrock5 said:

Probably because the tooling (mold) needed to cast is expensive and the profit wouldn't be there in this platform.

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I disagree with this. How many people have paid extra money for a dsm flanged hotside because they are going with an FP manifold? For example, most Holset users, which then bottlenecks the turbos potential. The money is there.

JusMX141 said:

FP's vehicle-specific DSM turbo lineup fits the manifold they have designed for our cars.

T3 flanges are, and always have been, considered a "universal" flange. I guess FP figures by the time you've reached the T3 platform you're likely looking at custom tubular manifolds for your build instead of a cast vehicle-specific manifold.

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Yeah, that makes sense. Although there are a few companies who make a cast T3 for our platform. I guess you could then argue that FP sees that and figures profit wouldn't be worth it since there are others already.

It would also cut into sales of the FP turbine housings.

Not to mention ERL already makes a cast t3 manifold.

well FYI a t3 DNP is like 550. not 700, and i dont really know how you could be THAT worried about heat. my rad hose is like 2 inches from #2 runner and it hasnt shown any signs of melt or hardening. i think the heat issue is different for each application.

urbansmoker1 said:

well FYI a t3 DNP is like 550.

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So is an ERL, which is cast stainless steel so it will never rust or crack.

urbansmoker1 said:

well FYI a t3 DNP is like 550. not 700, and i dont really know how you could be THAT worried about heat. my rad hose is like 2 inches from #2 runner and it hasnt shown any signs of melt or hardening. i think the heat issue is different for each application.

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Not a good arguement. I said "decent".
Any extra heat is a bad thing for alternators, radiators, A/C condensers, hoods etc. For example, when I bought my car it came with a cheapo tubular DSM flanged manifold only on the stock T25 and my hood paint is all faded, cracked and looks terrible from that heat.

These are some good thoughts though guys. I still say I'd buy one.

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So is an ERL, which is cast stainless steel so it will never rust or crack.

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well then shabam! thread solved! i was unaware about the ERL manifolds. although i have been running no heatsheilds for about 6 months with no ill affects on radiator, hoses, hood, or hood paint. and i have a carbon fiber hood with no heat sheild on there either. my alternator how ever did get effed from my wastegate dumping right on it , nice tube fixes that.

bradikus7 said:

I guess you could then argue that FP sees that and figures profit wouldn't be worth it since there are others already.

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aren't you agreeing to a point that you just told me you disagreed with when I made it? Whether it's because of tooling cost or because there are other manifolds available, the profit isn't there. I'm not bashing you or whatever, I just thought it was funny.

Why don't you just use an adapter plate?

jjrock5 said:

aren't you agreeing to a point that you just told me you disagreed with when I made it? Whether it's because of tooling cost or because there are other manifolds available, the profit isn't there. I'm not bashing you or whatever, I just thought it was funny.

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Lol I guess it was poorly worded. What I meant was FP sees other companies that make them, therefore they believe nobody would buy them. I disagree, mainly due to the quality of FP over others.

That was a good point though lowell. FP does design around the DSM flanged turbos, therefore a T3 manifold would cut down on turbo and hotside sales. That really makes a lot of sense. I bet that is the bulk of any reasoning.

How bout you call and ask FP that way there's no speculation.

Agent Ezzard said:

How bout you call and ask FP that way there's no speculation.

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Lmfao!!! BOY, NOW THERE'S AN IDEA!!!

Why the douche bag comments? This thread is about speculation. As already stated, I'm curios of other peoples thoughts. Also I'm not looking for advice on what I could do otherwise. FYI I already have what I have and plan on sticking with it for a while.

I don't think it was douchebag...I think it was a pretty damn good idea. I'm sorry, but i thought when a thread started with a QUESTION it was so you could get an ANSWER. Not a slew of opinions on what the answer COULD be.

I wasn't trying to be funny with that comment. I understand you might be curious as to what everyone else thinks about this idea but in reality, only FP's reasoning for not producing one is relevant.

Sorry if you felt a certain way.

Move to hang out justin! OP just admited this had no tech value to it.

urbansmoker1 said:

Move to hang out justin! OP just admited this had no tech value to it.

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I have no problem with that. I started it in the Newbie thread so people wouldn't get all butt hurt over it. Apparently that didn't stop all the "know it alls" from coming out, telling others what is set in stone. I'm done with it anyway. Somebody must have already moved it.

urbansmoker1 said:

Move to hang out justin! OP just admited this had no tech value to it.

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Doesn't matter- it's a speculation thread, or a "part we'd like to see made" thread in relation to turbo tech, so it stays put for now.

bradikus7 said:

I have no problem with that. I started it in the Newbie thread....Somebody must have already moved it.

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Yeah, me- because you're no longer a new member and the topic of discussion had a direct relation to the turbo system.

Only new members should be starting threads in the Newbie forum. Proven members are welcome to respond and assist any thread in the Newbie forum but it's expected that once you've graduated from the New Member status you will understand to use the tech forums as they're intended to be used instead of posting in the Newbie forum due to the amount of traffic. This is outlined here.

Because there is not enough market for it to cover the cost of R&D and initial production cost such as tooling.

There are more contributing factors but those are the big ones.

-Michael