2G where is the Valet button?????

pointblank9957 · Jul 19, 2012

my car has the Immobilizer enabled..i can turn everything on but it wont crank over... How do i turn it offf??????? i cant find the Valet button under the dash and i need this car for work in 2 days! i dont have a dealership around here and no local shops know how to do it!

pointblank9957 · Jul 20, 2012

Tyeler18 said:
Actually they are completely relevant as if they had a FACTORY installed immobilizer it would operate the same as a 3g/evo. The chip you are speaking of was installed by DEALERS at certain dealerships as the sales associate would carry a chip that they could plug into any car on the lot and fire the car up with that single chip. Rather than removing the system when sold they wpuld simply insert a specific chip in that car to complete the circuit. The chip the sales associates carried was universal to the cars, the one installed after sale simply allowed the ignition system to operate normally. A FACTORY mitsubishi installed immobilizer is a chip in the KEY and disables the fuel and ignition system 3 seconds after firing up if the ecu doesn't recieve the voltage programmed into it by the factory. Each key had a different resistor to vary voltages. A FACTORY Mitsu immobilizer will crank and start the car without a chipped key but will kill it after 3 seconds, which isn't the case od thr OP, because they never came with an immobilizer

so should i just go crazy checking every relay and the motor and solenoid? could be as simple as a loose ground but it ran fine the day before the alarm went off.

Black Widow97 · Jul 20, 2012

Tyeler is correct. They used that chip only on demo cars. The rest do not have one.

When my alarm went off, I had to stick my key in the door and turn it to go off. Try that and see if it will start.

2GCruiser · Jul 20, 2012

Are you sure you didn't just blow a fuse. Did you even check other possible reasons forn a no start

TWOpointFORliter · Jul 20, 2012

Ok I think this thread has been steered in the wrong direction with the immobilizer/valet stuff. Tyeler18 I will probably pm you to get some more info on this system on my buddies car.

To the op, does your started click and not turn over? Or do nothing at all? Did this problem just occur?

It sounds like your starter just may be bad. I didn't think if that because of the way the thread was titled. Have you tried jumping the car or tapping the starter with a hammer? If your starter is going out but not completely dead it may start if you try one of those two or both.

PieEyedPiper · Jul 20, 2012

Just gonna throw this out there...

Have you tried manipulating the position of the hood sensor? It seems like the alarm is going off and you don't know why. This is commonly a source of "phantom alarm".
Since I'm actually more interested in the immobilizer debate, I'm not sure if that information will be helpful or not.

pointblank9957 · Jul 20, 2012

Black Widow97 said:
Tyeler is correct. They used that chip only on demo cars. The rest do not have one.

When my alarm went off, I had to stick my key in the door and turn it to go off. Try that and see if it will start.

tried it

2GCruiser said:
Are you sure you didn't just blow a fuse. Did you even check other possible reasons forn a no start

every fuse is good though i did find that the alarm had a 20a when its supposed to be a 10a and yes ive looked at that thread and it didnt help

Jmonet1620 said:
Ok I think this thread has been steered in the wrong direction with the immobilizer/valet stuff. Tyeler18 I will probably pm you to get some more info on this system on my buddies car.

To the op, does your started click and not turn over? Or do nothing at all? Did this problem just occur?

It sounds like your starter just may be bad. I didn't think if that because of the way the thread was titled. Have you tried jumping the car or tapping the starter with a hammer? If your starter is going out but not completely dead it may start if you try one of those two or both.

i turn the key and i hear a click from the relay panel and a click under the shifter, if i go slowly through the key turn, the click under the shift goes insane

Black Widow97 · Jul 20, 2012

Then I think it is time to start checking grounds and pull the starter and have it tested.

pointblank9957 · Jul 20, 2012

PieEyedPiper said:
Just gonna throw this out there...

Have you tried manipulating the position of the hood sensor? It seems like the alarm is going off and you don't know why. This is commonly a source of "phantom alarm".
Since I'm actually more interested in the immobilizer debate, I'm not sure if that information will be helpful or not.

thats not the problem, the alarm isnt going off anymore, but the starter wont turn over

Black Widow97 said:
Then I think it is time to start checking grounds and pull the starter and have it tested.

where is the starter? is it on the backside of the crank? because i cant find it

Tyeler18 · Jul 20, 2012

pointblank9957 said:
thats not the problem, the alarm isnt going off anymore, but the starter wont turn over

where is the starter? is it on the backside of the crank? because i cant find it

Directly under the throttle body, remove the battery, its simple to get out.

Don't tap it with a hammer either, that worked on old field winding starters but not a permaneant magnet such as ours, you can damage the magnets and then if you ever want to use it as a core most places won't accept it for being damaged. Start out by checking if you have power at the b+ (big wires on the starter), should have 12v at all times, then check if you have 12v at tge S terminal (little baby wire on the starter) when you're trying to crank the car.

NathanCarlK · Jul 20, 2012

For the record, if you have roadside survice on your insurance policy this would be covered. I dont know if you do have it or not, but they would pay to have someone come fix it or if it needs to be taken to a dealer they would pay to have it towed there and back to your house.<- insurance agent by day, DSMer by night.

pointblank9957 · Jul 20, 2012

Tyeler18 said:
Directly under the throttle body, remove the battery, its simple to get out.

Don't tap it with a hammer either, that worked on old field winding starters but not a permaneant magnet such as ours, you can damage the magnets and then if you ever want to use it as a core most places won't accept it for being damaged. Start out by checking if you have power at the b+ (big wires on the starter), should have 12v at all times, then check if you have 12v at tge S terminal (little baby wire on the starter) when you're trying to crank the car.

thanks. i just wish they wouldve made it a little more accessable like buick does

Tyeler18 · Jul 20, 2012

pointblank9957 said:
thanks. i just wish they wouldve made it a little more accessable like buick does

Pull the battery and tray, takes maybe 5 minutes. Then 2 bolts to pull the starter, I can have one out in a matter of minutes

AlphaVision · Jul 20, 2012

All (or almost all) Euro DSMs have Immobiliser. They do not have such button. The key has some transponder and a receiver is built in the key lock on the steering wheel.

You can put another ECU which does not require immobiliser and the car will run

Tyeler18 · Jul 20, 2012

AlphaVision said:
All (or almost all) Euro DSMs have Immobiliser. They do not have such button. The key has some transponder and a receiver is built in the key lock on the steering wheel.

You can put another ECU which does not require immobiliser and the car will run

This us a US spec dsm, no immobilizer.

pointblank9957 · Jul 20, 2012

Tyeler18 said:
Pull the battery and tray, takes maybe 5 minutes. Then 2 bolts to pull the starter, I can have one out in a matter of minutes

i pulled the batt and tray and still cant see the starter..is it different than american starters? ### thats all ive ever worked with. is it uner the throttle body? ### then i should probably take the intake off too because that blocks under the body

Tyeler18 · Jul 20, 2012

It's bolted to the transmission , there's two 14mm bolts on the transmission holding it.

DJ Raydiate · Jul 20, 2012

I had the alarm go off on my 97 GS (factory alarm) and I had to disconnect the battery to get it to turn off (I have no remotes for it). After I hooked the battery back up, the car didn't start. I waited 15mins and then it started right up. If there is no immobilizer ,then what was it that wouldn't let my car start for x amount of time?

GofaST4life · Jul 20, 2012

I'm going to say....maybe pop start it? haha

But seriously.

pointblank9957 · Jul 20, 2012

Fixed it. I just tapped the starter and it worked, ordered a new one

GofaST4life said:
I'm going to say....maybe pop start it? haha

But seriously.

An automatic?!

Diamond Star Werks · Jul 20, 2012

Well that sucks. Have,a,98 spyder that, was dinh the same turn key relay clicks but starter does nothing. No power to trigger wire. It had,a viper,alarm but I removed it,and put the black/red wire back together but,still nothing. Was,hoping this thread would help.

pointblank9957 · Jul 20, 2012

MJcanada said:
Well that sucks. Have,a,98 spyder that, was dinh the same turn key relay clicks but starter does nothing. No power to trigger wire. It had,a viper,alarm but I removed it,and put the black/red wire back together but,still nothing. Was,hoping this thread would help.

Give the starter a tap with a wrench

H@xtGSX · Jul 20, 2012

I say just hot wire it and figure out what the alarm is doing when you have time later. I am not telling anyone how to hot wire these cars though. Look at the schematic in a Chiltons or the FSM and figure it out. If a stupid dropout car thief can figure it out, I am sure just about any of us can too.

As mentioned above, I also found that pulling the battery cable would reset it and a while later it started just fine.

tonyspyder · Jul 21, 2012

spyders do not have what you are looking for. do what they say and unplug the battery wait 10 mins than plug it in and start the car. this will reset everything in your car. i had 2 spyders and i crawl between the steering wheel and dash to hook up wires and aint see what you talking about. maybe post a video will help.

Diamond Star Werks · Jul 21, 2012

pointblank9957 said:
Give the starter a tap with a wrench

Starter is good. Said it wasn't getting power to the trigger wire when key is turn to, start position.

Diamond Star Werks · Jul 21, 2012

I say just hot wire it and figure out what the alarm is doing when you have time later. I am not telling anyone how to hot wire these cars though. Look at the schematic in a Chiltons or the FSM and figure it out. If a stupid dropout car thief can figure it out, I am sure just about any of us can too.<br />
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As mentioned above, I also found that pulling the battery cable would reset it and a while later it started just fine.

Alarm is doing nothing anymore. I removed the control box and all the wiring and reconnected the black and red wire from the ignition. The rest of,the wires were simply skinned and soldered the wire from control box to it. Black and red was,the only spliced wire. Ask me how I know it gets power when I turn the key LOL

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