The fastest bone stock 3s run I could find was a 13.0. Some guy clicked it off in a 1996 Stealth TT (the lightest 3s). Apparently, it's a documented run from sometime in the late 90s...But I couldn't find more than people referencing it on 3si.org.

omega260 said:

Its not even quick.

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my point exactly

Boostit said:

That's kind of the point.. I haven't seen an Anti-3s thread here in a long time. Your thread causes unwanted attention to the theory you have. I was a DSMr for 12 years.. never hated any 3s or 3s owners. I always thought these cars were beautiful but out of my price range in more ways than one. I only own now because I am in a place where the cost of the mod doesn't effect me like it used to.

As for what other people think, I could care less if people think a 3s cannot make decent power or good track times. I enjoy the car. DSM's are my roots, not my enemies.

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Well said sir
Seems the OP was looking to start this "dispute" between the cars. Hell the way he was talking in the beginning I was wondering if 3sGTO was his site or something. Now that all your claims & facts have been shown for what they really are, it's best you continue your quick comments of backtracking and retreat.
On a personal note congrats on your car, it's clear your proud that you were able to get the car to 187hp and you should be. That was your time, money, and effort that got you there so I can respect that. Although for you to come to our site full of guys/ladies focused on performance to talk shit about us while attempting to brag about your personal car is fvcking weak.
While true, you aren't a VR4 so comparing an awd Dsm to you isn't fair, take the time to realize this: We have 420a's here that would bend you over backwards at the strip weither from a roll or dig

Evo_This said:

Well said sir
Seems the OP was looking to start this "dispute" between the cars. Hell the way he was talking in the beginning I was wondering if 3sGTO was his site or something. Now that all your claims & facts have been shown for what they really are, it's best you continue your quick comments of backtracking and retreat.
On a personal note congrats on your car, it's clear your proud that you were able to get the car to 187hp and you should be. That was your time, money, and effort that got you there so I can respect that. Although for you to come to our site full of guys/ladies focused on performance to talk shit about us while attempting to brag about your personal car is fvcking weak.
While true, you aren't a VR4 so comparing an awd Dsm to you isn't fair, take the time to realize this: We have 420a's here that would bend you over backwards

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quote of the mother effin evening!

Evo_This said:

Well said sir
Seems the OP was looking to start this "dispute" between the cars. Hell the way he was talking in the beginning I was wondering if 3sGTO was his site or something. Now that all your claims & facts have been shown for what they really are, it's best you continue your quick comments of backtracking and retreat.
On a personal note congrats on your car, it's clear your proud that you were able to get the car to 187hp and you should be. That was your time, money, and effort that got you there so I can respect that. Although for you to come to our site full of guys/ladies focused on performance to talk shit about us while attempting to brag about your personal car is fvcking weak.
While true, you aren't a VR4 so comparing an awd Dsm to you isn't fair, take the time to realize this: We have 420a's here that would bend you over backwards at the strip weither from a roll or dig

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Hahaha sad but true. Why don't you go spout your misinformation on some Honda forum where 187whp is fast.

donniekak said:

I've owned both cars for years. I'll never mod a 3000 past boltons, its just not cost effective.

One of the problems with the 3s scene is most of the owners haven't worked on other platforms, and don't have a basic grasp of how modding, and tuning work. It also doesn't help that the fastest 3s is tuned on a piggyback fuel controller. So most owners believe a good tuning solution isn't needed.

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THIS....Exactly.

In addition to that, since most people don't get under their own hoods it allows vendors to have ridiculous prices, which plays into the whole cost effective thing.


My personal experience with both platforms:

All of my DSMs were fun cars and a blast to drive. I love DSMs. And it's great how much power you can get out of them for so little money.

As for the VR4, I loved that B!tch. It was pretty much stock, but an AMAZING car to drive. And at 160mph (don't worry about where), that car was completely smooth and felt like a DSM going 10mph on a sheet of glass.

Overall, whoever said that the two are in completely separate classes that can't be compared was 100% right. They are in no way the same car. They are as different as night and day.

I just sold my DSM a few months back, and after this deployment I will be buying a VR4 again. Hopefully for a sexy ride. And I want a DSM for my daily. Who knows if I will get both. The wife may not appreciate that.

BlackMount said:

Ive never raced a dsm from a dig. I dont race from a dig period. I bet theyd beat me everytime if i raced them from a dig.
Only videos i have of the car in action on the street was sound test, and me being chase car filming my friends talon vs liter bike. My car was very stock at the time.

I have my last dyno vid,ill be dynoing it again on the 22nd. Aiming for 200whp.

I will see about having my friend send me the high runs of the car. 1st run was 145ish then let out, 2nd was close 148ish

Im not bench racing i know what my car does.

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And really. Can you not race a vehicle without making sure it's at a disadvantage. That's kind of ####yish.

Hey now. I always picked the 3000gt over the eclipse on NFSU2 . But of course I was like 14. Haha love both cars at the end of the day I only kindof give a shit how fast one is to the other. OP. Just get a bike with 115hp and roll over just about everyone. Haha I kid, I kid, let's not start that!

Btw my rubberbanded focus was the shit have a nice day yall!!

Any body watch the new episode of married with children? No? Guess im stuck in the 90's

I see its not so much here With the internal hate of all things non dsm but still mitsubishi..m its definetly outside the forums and on other pages.

I guess all the Smart dsm owners r here....not saying u r all smart but all the smart ones r here..

Idk what it is but it seems within the last year i have been coming across alot of really close minded dsm owners.

Seems the general population here likes the 3/s.

I love the "real" factory turbo 3k Gt VR4, i wasn't crazy about the other trims and models available, i've heard horror stories on the trannies just as with the DSM but with an added deterantthat there were almost no rebuild options and NONE you could rebuild yourself (in stick shift models anyway)

But aside from being harder to work on, I think they're awesome cars, and i've really always wanted one to go along with the DSM..

All the cool and good info is nice to read, now with things popping up about a lot of it being false kinda saddens me but the relevant stuff i wanted to know is all there (except where i dcan go read about and see pics of really fast built ones)

I'd love to get one in 3k gt form, put a single turbo, built engine with full interior in bright red andother than the driveline mods leave it completely stock inside and out and drive the hell out of it with a daily tune of around 650 HP (making up for the weight additions it has over a DSM and my current street trim of ~480-500hp)

ANyway, keep good info coming, pics would be great.. and i never knew that they werne't considered DSM's (at least factually.. does their ID tagf uynderthe hood or in the door not have "DSM" on it like our talons/eclipse/lasers do?

They all say Mitsubishi under the hood regardless of the make or model. As for the single, twins are just more efficient so you rarely see a single turbo swap.

As for HP.. no one really has pushed these cars on stock blocks like the Supra and DSM side of things have. I'm personally aiming for about 500-550 on E85 and my DR650's tuned on ProEFI.. but I wont be stopping there. I will eventually have things beefed up and the heads redone. 3s stock heads are realllllly restrictive.

As for drivetrain, everyone has horror stories if you have an AWD setup. Most everyone that makes any kind of power used to upgrade to a 25spline. I'm going to try the 300m 18spline and an additional transfer case brace. So far it has great results. If I break it I will be going 25spline and a 300m on top of that. The reason you don't see many build options for the transmission is because you don't need to build the transmission portion, it's the transfer cases that usually don't make it. Luckily, in the last 2-3 years there are now options to remedy this.

To bad you don't like Stealths.. they can look good

I want to see this DSM drifting. I'm assuming he's talking about the professional side of it.

If i can make a personal and strong suggestion, don't get sucked into proEFI. i have alot of close personal ties to the guy whodeveloped it and his philoosphies and goals with that system would piss offanyone that's a smartretail cusomer or fellow tuner, I don't want o get into elaborating or bashing in general, but i will say look into

Haltech (my favorite, and like an older E11 would be affordable and is awesome for yoiur app) Haltech – Engine Management Systems
Autronic Autronic Engine Management System Fuel Injection
LInk (not DSMlink but LInk ECU's) Link Engine Management Systems — Link Engine Management Systems - plug-in & wire-in aftermarket ECU's
Microtech Microtech EFI
motec MoTeC
Megasquirt is kickass for what it started as, and the "EMS pro" is another great, yet affordable systemthat well impressed me.. MegaSquirt | Engine Management System | Electronic Fuel Injection - DIYAutoTune.com
eMS-Pro Engine Management System DIYAutoTune.com
And another i really like is "EMS motorsport" ECU's - Home Page
and even my dreded AEM EMS (the guy who redeveloped the european GEMS system and had US sales rights bought out and soldthem to AEM to make what is now the AEM EMS, is the same guy who owns proEFI, and although support on the phone says thre's no "dealer box" that does changes you can't make as the owner, I'm here to tell you a friednd of mine is a dealer and there is a box only they have, the principalk is to make some things untouchable by the end usert to ensure repeat business on the shops end for changes to the setup that are large enough like going from waste to seqwuential sparkl and sucj

another to stay away from IMO is SDSEFI.com (supposed to stand for simple digital systems, really the setup is si,mple but programming one is like trying top set the function on the old casio watches that tried to be little computers,,, theres like 5 buttons to try and do everythig you want, nothing is coded in a nameyou canunderstand and everything else is odd in that after you setup a certain area of timing, all other loads have to be a variant of math applied to that baseline timing, I was a fan at first because of price but aftyer installing and tuning 1 and just trying to tune the other, i said "fu(k this piece of sh1t and said i'mnever touching one again

And you may say well proEFI is on so and so's car and this guy runs iut and he's the fastes out there...well, the guy goes around offering the install and tuning services free of charge saying he'll make morepower with it and better logging etcc etcc,.,...hje duid the samewith the was called PEFIS (the name before AEM bought it from him) proifessional EFI systems (damn close to PROEFI init?? )

anyway, it's your choise, and i have nothing personal against the people involved, but i do have issues with several things in both the AEM and PROEFI structuring and tuning methods (well, i plain prefer not to deal with an AEM... it's the only ECU out there aside from sdsefi that canm't understand the regular andalmost industry standard type of CAS signals coming fromthe mitsubishi CAS, therefore the need for a 12 slot trigger disk to try and get the thing firing off injectors and coils fasterduring low voltage and low RPM starting situations

Boostit said:

They all say Mitsubishi under the hood regardless of the make or model. As for the single, twins are just more efficient so you rarely see a single turbo swap.


As for HP.. no one really has pushed these cars on stock blocks like the Supra and DSM side of things have. I'm personally aiming for about 500-550 on E85 and my DR650's tuned on ProEFI.. but I wont be stopping there. I will eventually have things beefed up and the heads redone. 3s stock heads are realllllly restrictive.

As for drivetrain, everyone has horror stories if you have an AWD setup. Most everyone that makes any kind of power used to upgrade to a 25spline. I'm going to try the 300m 18spline and an additional transfer case brace. So far it has great results. If I break it I will be going 25spline and a 300m on top of that. The reason you don't see many build options for the transmission is because you don't need to build the transmission portion, it's the transfer cases that usually don't make it. Luckily, in the last 2-3 years there are now options to remedy this.

To bad you don't like Stealths.. they can look good

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Drift DSM RWD GSX GT Live VIR 1993 6/4 LSD Evo316G

And almost everything i said i backed up in my OPs so i fail to see the false info.

I was mistaken with the 12.8 1/4 time and i admitted that

U guys r calling me out on false info based on your inability to search properly

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Drift DSM RWD GSX GT Live VIR 1993 6/4 LSD Evo316G

And almost everything i said i backed up in my OPs so i fail to see the false info.

I was mistaken with the 12.8 1/4 time and i admitted that

U guys r calling me out on false info based on your inability to search properly

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Weren't you the one saying a SL can run 14's? Wasn't it you claiming YOUR 187hp SL beat at least three 16g powered Dsms? I hope you don't represent the SL's from your forum. I find it funny that you're giving all glory to VR4s, a platform you don't own. That's like a v6 Mustang guy spittling facts on what a Super Snake can do and thinking somehow that relates to his car.
Here's the facts I want you to present: Where are the threads showing the Dsm/3s hate?
More importantly, I would die to see some of these races where YOU are killing Dsms. As said before, a bone stock Dsm can beat your modded SL so you're telling us one running a 16g with at least the basic support to run it even on stock boost loss to you?

A lot of you guys need to grow up, on both sides of the argument.

Both cars are awesome in their own ways, and have their strengths and weaknesses out of the box. They both have tons of potential.

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DSMsOwnYourV8 said:

A lot of you guys need to grow up, on both sides of the argument.

Both cars are awesome in their own ways, and have their strengths and weaknesses out of the box. They both have tons of potential.

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Nobody is or was arguing. This guy just started posting about his super fast fwd n/a v6 and now some of us are jealous thats all

DSMBanditFZ6 said:

Hey now. I always picked the 3000gt over the eclipse on NFSU2 . But of course I was like 14. Haha love both cars at the end of the day I only kindof give a shit how fast one is to the other. OP. Just get a bike with 115hp and roll over just about everyone. Haha I kid, I kid, let's not start that!

Btw my rubberbanded focus was the shit have a nice day yall!!

Any body watch the new episode of married with children? No? Guess im stuck in the 90's

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I've pulled bikes in my stealth, and ran away from them in my old talon. For speeds under 100, hp/weight is the prime factor in acceleration. Over 100, it's more about total horsepower, as air resistance becomes the main obstacle to going faster.

to the OP what the #### are you to even think i can't drive , do you know me from some where .
This thread is so stupid not even funny but again it came from from a 3s guy ,,,what else .
The only guy making a conflict between the 2 is YOU.
Me don't know how to drive 9.1 at slow motion, the rest of 3s world 10.4 and up with good drivers and bigger set ups . grow the #### up.

NBF

cl1ckclack said:

dude. your cars not fast. just stfu before you embarrass yourself more. turbo DSMs can make 200whp with the simple free mods...

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... +1 pos rep for you

fastnelson said:

... +1 pos rep for you

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Holy crap! now you sir, you have a fast 3k

BlackMount said:

there r tons of 9 and 10 second 3/S and tons of 1000+whp 3/S. We just dont parade ourselves around.

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NO, there's only one 3s that does that and the only one out there alive that is doing it in the world IS MINE street car.

The 1348whp car is nelson...he cant drive + his car isnt gutted or anything of the sort. His goal was a retarded fast street car and HP king not a 1/4 king.. he ran a 9.18 on less then half the boost he dynod with (18 psi) and the addition of a Auto Trans since he cant drive very well. In short he has the most hp but is a poor example of what our cars do in the 1/4.

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in that case you should go out there and do better then bitching like a little gua about the other is people is cars.

NBF

Uh oh..

Not to start crap but i thought there was a dynoed 1000+ hp awd car in russia that blew up a dogbox tranny and couldnt get it replaced to take it to the track.

granted that was prob 3 or 4 years ago now so im not positive on the hp numbers but i thought it was around 1150ish

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7 pages in 2 days...wow.