1g vs 2g 1000+hp

jrohner · Mar 30, 2012

standard235 said:
What part of qualifying pass didn't you understand?

Chances are these guys didn't drive crappy on purpose just because it was not a real race. Nothing against either of these guys, as it's not like even John Force is perfect every time (just almost).

chinola69 said:
IF they are evenly matched absolutly. Now if you have a 200 hp vs 800 hp, unless the guy sits there for 10 seconds, the 800hp car is most likely going to win.

a 200hp car vs a 800hp car is most likely going to be a bracket race not heads up, so yeah it would matter. The 800hp guy is going to have to really have his act together since it's harder to be consistent with a faster car.

LandSpeed-DSM said:
They are still dialing their setups in, Mike was shaking out the cobwebs, and both are dealing with all the quirks inherent to a >1000whp 2.0l.

I think that the fact they both ran low 9s on a crappy track with all the above is quite impressive. You said it yourself these are 8 second cars, but they're running 9's in this video.

Both are 8 second cars when they get in the groove.

I'd like to see you row an MT DSM down the track with 4 digit power.

The only reason I brought that up was because this was posted as a real 1G vs 2G gudge match, which it obviously was not.

Yes they are both impressive cars I'm sure, but these passes are not IMO. You said it yourself that these are 8 second cars -- however they are running 9's and the 1G didn't really get going until 1/2 way down the track (making his 9.2 impressive I guess).

okcpopeman · Mar 30, 2012

jrohner said:
Chances are these guys didn't drive crappy on purpose just because it was not a real race. Nothing against either of these guys, as it's not like even John Force is perfect every time (just almost).

In a QUALIFYING round, reaction time is not taken into consideration when doing the actual bracket for eliminations. It is a measure of E.T. and only E.T., not MPH not 330' not 60' NOT REACTION TIME!!! They can sit there as long as they like! But if they run a 9.x that is all that matters when they are paired up for eliminations. I hope you have a clearer understanding of how this works now... If not, may God have mercy on your soul.... :ohdamn:

standard235 said:
What part of qualifying pass didn't you understand?

None of it. Maybe he will now though.

uncle ben · Mar 30, 2012

Some people obviously have no clue what it takes to go fast. High 10 second passes are no joke in a manual, let alone low 9 second passes. To put these passes into perspective, maybe 20 dsm's in the entire history of dsm's have gone faster than this with a manual. MAYBE 20. Both cars had LOTS left on the table. Mike had boost and spray to go. John had both to go also. Nobody wants to explode drivetrain parts in qualifying, so both were taking it easy. Not to mention it being the first of the season, and both were fresh with no seat time.

I give mad props to both!!! :hellyeah:

Bud92gsx · Mar 30, 2012

The 1g had a horrible launch, but pulled out the win on the top end.That was an awsome video.Just great.

uncle ben · Mar 30, 2012

Like already stated, John ran a better time for sure, but he didnt get the win if that would have been a race. Mike got the win. You can clearly see the W light on mikes side. Neither was trying to win though, as you can see by them just sitting there. They were just trying to make decent qualifying passes.

92AWDHX40 · Mar 30, 2012

I think i saw mikes car in modified magazine a few years ago.

banshee04 · Mar 30, 2012

That 1G was reeling that 2G in HARD!

jrohner · Mar 30, 2012

okcpopeman said:
In a QUALIFYING round, reaction time is not taken into consideration when doing the actual bracket for eliminations. It is a measure of E.T. and only E.T., not MPH not 330' not 60' NOT REACTION TIME!!! They can sit there as long as they like! But if they run a 9.x that is all that matters when they are paired up for eliminations. I hope you have a clearer understanding of how this works now... If not, may God have mercy on your soul....

Get over it already. :barf:

They already mentioned it was not an actual race and I don't need a drag racing lesson. So many videos get posted here where they sit for quite a few seconds after the green, and it gets old people saying how awesome the pass was when they should've been half way down the track when they finally got around to taking off and would've lost IF IT WAS A REAL RACE (we don't need to be ridiculed on how it wasn't a race; this was posted as though it was, look at the Subject line).

I've never seen drag racing mentioned in the Bible, maybe it was a mistranslation that took it out I guess.

banshee04 said:
That 1G was reeling that 2G in HARD!

Yeah, but MPH on the scoreboard doesn't really make sense to me.

uncle ben · Mar 30, 2012

Johns mph was low because he tossed a rocker arm. The pass before he was on lower boost and still went 157.

chinola69 · Mar 30, 2012

chinola69 said:
IF they are evenly matched absolutly. Now if you have a 200 hp vs 800 hp, unless the guy sits there for 10 seconds, the 800hp car is most likely going to win.

jrohner said:
a 200hp car vs a 800hp car is most likely going to be a bracket race not heads up, so yeah it would matter. The 800hp guy is going to have to really have his act together since it's harder to be consistent with a faster car.

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Boosted DSM 32 · Mar 30, 2012

iugrad92turbo said:
Hell yeah got me excited for norwalk in august.

Im about 2 1/2 hours away from Norwalk i havent been there in a couple years but its a good time up there im lucky as hell and have a track 10 min from where i live i go to the test and tune every friday

bmoha7321 · Mar 30, 2012

I've seen threads about both these cars in the past but to actually see them on the same track racing each other is nothing short of epic!

JohnTSI · Mar 31, 2012

WOW, interesting responses. Mike and I where on our second qualifying passes reaction means nothing in qualifying so we where just feeling out the clutch setups as there are both new to us.

Neither one of us had the power turned up all the way on this run as we where feeling out the cars, as you can see however I had it turned up a little more than him.

My mph was so low because I tossed 3 intake rockers at the top of third just on the other side of the 1/8 mile so when I put it in 4th the car was misfiring so I let out and coasted the rest of the way down the track. I am sure had a stayed in it it would have been at least a high 160 pass, car has already been 168 and it was moving faster Sunday than it was then.

The launch, I have broken more money in parts on the line in the last year than most people have in their entire cars so I was a little gun shy, it was a weak 1.77 60' to Mike's 1.57 spinning. Trust me when you start making as much power as we do its a whole new ball game running these things down the track. I am still feeling out the car on the new setup, its gonna take seat time to sort it all out. This was only the 3rd launch in the dogbox and the gearing in the car makes it a whole different animal to operate. These are not auto cars, not knocking them I tune and race several of them (it is the better drag race option some of us are just stubborn), but there is a lot more going on.

All in all I think we where both happy, #1 and #2 qualifiers in Forced Induction Pro, and running low 9s on crappy passes. It was Mike first pass down the 1/4 in a year on a totally new chassis and clutch setup and me still scared to death I am gonna rip the driveline apart. We will both go much faster as we get back to the track.

Almost forgot to mention, we will be lining up for a real grudge race in the very near future

. Come get some Mike!!

96awd · Mar 31, 2012

What gearing or how "included" do you have your Dogbox setup, John?

JohnTSI said:
WOW, interesting responses. Mike and I where on our second qualifying passes reaction means nothing in qualifying so we where just feeling out the clutch setups as there are both new to us.

Neither one of us had the power turned up all the way on this run as we where feeling out the cars, as you can see however I had it turned up a little more than him.

My mph was so low because I tossed 3 intake rockers at the top of third just on the other side of the 1/8 mile so when I put it in 4th the car was misfiring so I let out and coasted the rest of the way down the track. I am sure had a stayed in it it would have been at least a high 160 pass, car has already been 168 and it was moving faster Sunday than it was then.

The launch, I have broken more money in parts on the line in the last year than most people have in their entire cars so I was a little gun shy, it was a weak 1.77 60' to Mike's 1.57 spinning. Trust me when you start making as much power as we do its a whole new ball game running these things down the track. I am still feeling out the car on the new setup, its gonna take seat time to sort it all out. This was only the 3rd launch in the dogbox and the gearing in the car makes it a whole different animal to operate. These are not auto cars, not knocking them I tune and race several of them (it is the better drag race option some of us are just stubborn), but there is a lot more going on.

All in all I think we where both happy, #1 and #2 qualifiers in Forced Induction Pro, and running low 9s on crappy passes. It was Mike first pass down the 1/4 in a year on a totally new chassis and clutch setup and me still scared to death I am gonna rip the driveline apart. We will both go much faster as we get back to the track.

Almost forgot to mention, we will be lining up for a real grudge race in the very near future . Come get some Mike!!

C_Keagy · Mar 31, 2012

Dogboxs have a longer first gear and take a couple launches to get dialed it. Not sure how many times I bogged figuring mine out.

96awd · Mar 31, 2012

4G63_n/t_GS said:
Dogboxs have a longer first gear and take a couple launches to get dialed it. Not sure how many times I bogged figuring mine out.

Yeah, I have mine sitting in my closet. Just wanted to know how he had his setup or how custom he went with it.

JohnTSI · Mar 31, 2012

Its the normal Shep dogbox first, just much longer than the stock trans. Only thing custom will be the 5th thats going in it for the mile.

96awd · Mar 31, 2012

JohnTSI said:
Its the normal Shep dogbox first, just much longer than the stock trans. Only thing custom will be the 5th thats going in it for the mile.

Gotcha! I forgot this was a mile car also. When's it gonna be out there?

JohnTSI · Mar 31, 2012

When it goes down the 1/4 consistently.

yzfgsx · Mar 31, 2012

Great job, people have no idea how hard it is to set up and drive a car with that much power.

NeWyoRksPLaYaZ · Mar 31, 2012

sweet jesus that was sexy!

rhamlinii · Apr 1, 2012

yzfgsx said:
Great job, people have no idea how hard it is to set up and drive a car with that much power.

Did you plane on trying to inform us?

laser90 · Apr 5, 2012

JohnTSI said:
Almost forgot to mention, we will be lining up for a real grudge race in the very near future . Come get some Mike!!

Team 1G

ol

JohnTSI · Apr 15, 2012

rhamlinii said:
Did you plane on trying to inform us?

He may have some insight as it appears his car makes over 900hp.

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