ez@2gnt said:

Very sad. Yes he probably had internal bleeding, and there may have been a pre-existing condition that contributed. The car went airborn and so perhaps there was a large impact to the bottom of the car that you can't visualize. A high-g impact can lead to an aortic aneurysm, and the guy could walk some distance before he succumbed to it.

EDIT: I would also say that one should not assume he was fleeing the scene. He could have been in shock and in extreme pain, and was not making rational decisions at that point.

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This. A guy I went to school with was hit head on by a drunk driver, and was sitting up talking to the 1st responders when his aorta pulled away from his heart, he collapsed and died on the spot.

spadepro22 said:

No matter what in there family's life or what Jason was doing wrong, a person lost there life. Period, end of story.

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It doesn't have to end there. Although tragic (albeit self inflected), this makes for an EXCELLENT education opportunity for other young drivers.

There is a group here that setups up street races at local meets. Though the meet claims to be anti-street racing, I actually have video proof of the exact opposite.

The sad part is these younger kids think it's cool and one of them is going to die. If a kid dies as a result of one these local meets, I'm going to make it my mission to see that the event organizers prosecuted.

Wow. Really sad to hear this. And I drive on I-75 quite a few times a week too.

RIP.

Life is very precious. It's a sad way to go. Old age should be the only killer in life.

Who's to say he didn't have an anuerism or something of that sort WHILE driving?

I'd imagine the accident wasn't the cause of death, his cause of death is what caused the accident.


--Scott

laserspeeddemon said:

It doesn't have to end there. Although tragic (albeit self inflected), this makes for an EXCELLENT education opportunity for other young drivers.

There is a group here that setups up street races at local meets. Though the meet claims to be anti-street racing, I actually have video proof of the exact opposite.

The sad part is these younger kids think it's cool and one of them is going to die. If a kid dies as a result of one these local meets, I'm going to make it my mission to see that the event organizers prosecuted.

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Can't really have someone prosecuted for that, whoever took part in the street race did it at their own free will, you can try, but it wont hold up in court.

laserspeeddemon said:

It doesn't have to end there. Although tragic (albeit self inflected), this makes for an EXCELLENT education opportunity for other young drivers.

There is a group here that setups up street races at local meets. Though the meet claims to be anti-street racing, I actually have video proof of the exact opposite.

The sad part is these younger kids think it's cool and one of them is going to die. If a kid dies as a result of one these local meets, I'm going to make it my mission to see that the event organizers prosecuted.

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You are one sick and twisted individual.

Chaosweaver said:

Can't really have someone prosecuted for that, whoever took part in the street race did it at their own free will, you can try, but it wont hold up in court.

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Wait, does that mean that if I arrange a high-stakes, illegal, horse race gambling deal at location X then when the FBI raids the place and takes down several high-ranking CEOs for petting bitches and betting millions - I'm good to go. Won't hold up in court, man! They did it on their own free will!

If a woman can sue McDonalds for being a dumbshit and spilling coffee on herself - Sean can prosecute a group of people condoning an act that could kill (and by the time he does this we could assume it has killed someone.)

How many times has Eminem been sued for crap because it sounds like he 'condones' it? If someone turns on a flashlight near the street at night, swerve into a pole and say they blinded you, or you had a seizure. $100 says you win.

Lofty said:

Who's to say he didn't have an anuerism or something of that sort WHILE driving?

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Scott generally speaking you need a high energy impact to cause an aortic tear. Like a car crash, fall from a building, etc. Though dissecting aortic aneurysms can occur without such an impact, they tend to occur in older individuals (barring this guy did not have Marfan's syndrome or something.) Even if he did experience this while driving, it would have caused pain and he would have pulled over. It would not have caused him to start swirving and cross the median.

ez@2gnt said:

Scott generally speaking you need a high energy impact to cause an aortic tear. Like a car crash, fall from a building, etc. Though dissecting aortic aneurysms can occur without such an impact, they tend to occur in older individuals (barring this guy did not have Marfan's syndrome or something.) Even if he did experience this while driving, it would have caused pain and he would have pulled over. It would not have caused him to start swirving and cross the median.

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I was just using an anuerism as an example. Shit he could have had a stroke and got confused, I don't know. I wouldn't rule out a pre-existing condition as the cause of this.

Yea that's unlikely. Most probable explanation is that he sustained some type of injury during the crash, resulting in a slow bleed.

This forum is kinda getting a little crazy if it suspects foul play is involved. 45,000 people die a year in the U.S. from car accidents.

Calan said:

A charge of racing on a roadway pending against him, a previous conviction for reckless driving, was going fast enough in a one-lane work zone to travel that far through a median, jump the guard rail, and travel a couple hundred more feet....and he fled the scene?

It's tragic for his family, but I'm not really feeling much pity right now. On the face of it, it sounds like natural selection at work.

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WOOOOW. No matter what he was doing its still really sad to hear about stuff like this happening. From your post, you sound like a prick. Just saying. Thats like me saying "Well i dont care if you die because your a prick and now nobody will have to listen to you anymore."

boosted240 said:

WOOOOW. No matter what he was doing its still really sad to hear about stuff like this happening. From your post, you sound like a prick. Just saying. Thats like me saying "Well i dont care if you die because your a prick and now nobody will have to listen to you anymore."

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I said that about Saddam. -guilty-

XiKeiyaZI said:

I said that about Saddam. -guilty-

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Way different. Driving fast and/or racing is not in any way, shape or form the same as killings thousands of ppl.

boosted240 said:

Way different. Driving fast and/or racing is not in any way, shape or form the same as killings thousands of ppl.

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Even though drunk drivers kill hundreds of people, eh? Let's just put it this way....driving stupid can kill, period.

PieEyedPiper said:

Wait, does that mean that if I arrange a high-stakes, illegal, horse race gambling deal at location X then when the FBI raids the place and takes down several high-ranking CEOs for petting bitches and betting millions - I'm good to go. Won't hold up in court, man! They did it on their own free will!

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You're comparing something that you are making money off of to a bunch of people meeting up at a spot to just stand and bullshit around. They could claim that they didn't know that the races where happening, just because you organize a meet, doesn't mean you also organize the races. As you said, you're organizing an illegal horse racing event, not an event where you meet up just for the sake of meeting up to park up your cars.

I've actually been reading a few of your posts, so I'm sure you're a fairly intelligent person that can comprehend the difference between illegal horse racing and the legal act of people meeting up in a parking their cars. Even if there is street racing during or after said meet, the people who organized the event have no control over what individuals do.

I think that its a shame that his mother is now going through a third passed loved one my heart goes out to her. I see in the rules we can't talk bout religion if I read it right. This I hope won't break a rule by saying that family will be in my prayers. I don't care what caused the wreck it happened and she is left with no kids no husband. I lost my mother just under a year ago and that killed me but to loose all of those close I doubt I could do it. I hope she can though truly.

I dont see why it's up for debate.

Calan IS a prick, anyways.

Chaosweaver said:

You're comparing something that you are making money off of to a bunch of people meeting up at a spot to just stand and bullshit around. They could claim that they didn't know that the races where happening, just because you organize a meet, doesn't mean you also organize the races. As you said, you're organizing an illegal horse racing event, not an event where you meet up just for the sake of meeting up to park up your cars.

I've actually been reading a few of your posts, so I'm sure you're a fairly intelligent person that can comprehend the difference between illegal horse racing and the legal act of people meeting up in a parking their cars. Even if there is street racing during or after said meet, the people who organized the event have no control over what individuals do.

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Oh, for sure. I just don't see it explained anywhere that it's a 100% innocent and legal event where street racing was not condoned.
Instead, I understood that street racing was being condoned.

laserspeeddemon, being not only an eye witness, but a spiritual man iirc, is the only source of information regarding the subject that I'm aware of. I also find him to be a trustworthy source.
I agree that there are surely circumstances where racing occurs after a legitimate meet and the meet "holders" are not held responsible.

Chaosweaver said:

Can't really have someone prosecuted for that, whoever took part in the street race did it at their own free will, you can try, but it wont hold up in court.

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It would be one thing if one were to setup a meet and racing was happening either against their knowledge or will.

This is not the case, the event organizers lend a heavy hand in setting up the street races. I am even told there is a closed facebook page where they arrange races before the meet. This group was apparently started by the meet organizers.

Also if a state can prove that during the act of felony that a death occurred, then the persons convicted of the felony can also be convicted of the death. For example; You and John Doe decide to rob a home. John does breaks in and gets shot in the face. You are tried for Burglary and murder.

Lastly, their are plenty of videos that the event organizer posted online or videos that people posted of him street racing. When he realized his folly, he tried to remove them or have them removed. Unfortunate for him, I have software that can capture streaming video and I now possess them.

Or he counter-sues them and gets a fat check.

Whose counter-suing whom?

Im suing this website.

Why would you sue the site?