So I bought a link v3 cable in hopes that it would link up to Jackal or TMO logger or anything on my computer. I am not running ecmlink nor do I want to. I was just wondering if anyone has gotten this to work on their car by swapping pins or anything, or has anyone taken apart the cable to see what would need done? It links up to my computer fine, just doesn't log. All help would be appreciated, id just like to get logging so I could get a solid tune on my car. Thanks!

Lucas

Maybe My1gdsm can chime in on this, he seems to be the resident expert here haha. Have you tried any of the other free loggers? Like mmcd and such?

O and you have a pm.

Didn't get around to test anything yet like I said I was going to in the PM the other day Lucas

Sorry...

I've been meaning to do a few things along those lines it's just finding the free time and having the desire to work on a DSM in that free time ...

I do have a few things that will work that are SD based for logging with the v3 cable if you would like shot me an Email and we can Talk again...

I replied to you both. If anyone else has something to contribute, please do so! It would be good to have a solid answer to get this cable working with a Jackal setup, or any other logging program for that matter.

It's not Jackal and That ADX file isn't for SD.

But it works for the Cable if anyone is just trying to use it quick to log how-log-your-1g-tuner-pro-rt

I'm gonna try to over the next week or so in my free time put up a how-to for all the programs that work with it and test some more... .

Where did you find ECM/DSMlink cables for sale seperately? I have a friend that could really use one and they won't sell him a replacement eventhough you can tell he doesn't have a "copy" ECMlink but the real thing.. Having to buy the entire package for one replacement cable, because you bought a car used and paid more because it had the ECU in the firstplace is something that i've always held against the DSMlink camp, i understand their stance on counterfeit products but not allowing anyone to buy their product used or get a new cable should they have ruined or lost theirs is the most horrible case of customer-non-support i've ever seen. You'dmake some ones day by providing a link to where we can get him one!

nevermind, i found it and they still won't offert a V2 replacement.. so when V4 comes out will they stop support of V3 replacement parts forcing another lrage investment to keep up with their product movement? I like DSMlink, but it's almost childish of a company to drive off users because they're upset that some one copied their product, and yea, maybe a cable will go to a clone copy but that copy is already bought and paid for, why not make a few bucks off the cable still and keep some one happy with the DSMlink name wether they even know they bought a clone/copy to start with, but with that cable interaction seal the deal to ensure they contact the real and correct ECMlink for all future purchases instead of leavingthem saying "i had a bad expeience with a used DSMlink and not being able to use what i hbought, i won't buy/run DSM/ECMlink in the future" and there for stopping them froim wanting to spend money on products related to that name

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Where did you find ECM/DSMlink cables for sale seperately? I have a friend that could really use one and they won't sell him a replacement eventhough you can tell he doesn't have a "copy" ECMlink but the real thing.. Having to buy the entire package for one replacement cable, because you bought a car used and paid more because it had the ECU in the firstplace is something that i've always held against the DSMlink camp, i understand their stance on counterfeit products but not allowing anyone to buy their product used or get a new cable should they have ruined or lost theirs is the most horrible case of customer-non-support i've ever seen. You'dmake some ones day by providing a link to where we can get him one!

nevermind, i found it and they still won't offert a V2 replacement.. so when V4 comes out will they stop support of V3 replacement parts forcing another lrage investment to keep up with their product movement? I like DSMlink, but it's almost childish of a company to drive off users because they're upset that some one copied their product, and yea, maybe a cable will go to a clone copy but that copy is already bought and paid for, why not make a few bucks off the cable still and keep some one happy with the DSMlink name wether they even know they bought a clone/copy to start with, but with that cable interaction seal the deal to ensure they contact the real and correct ECMlink for all future purchases instead of leavingthem saying "i had a bad expeience with a used DSMlink and not being able to use what i hbought, i won't buy/run DSM/ECMlink in the future" and there for stopping them froim wanting to spend money on products related to that name

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The op is talking about the odb1 logging cable.
ECMTuning, Inc.


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And Lucas manually update your Jackal. It does work now.

91stocker said:

And Lucas manually update your Jackal. It does work now.

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But,
Are they still making you have your ostrich hooked up to log? That is about as stupid as what Glen is talking about... .

MY1GDSM said:

But,
Are they still making you have your ostrich hooked up to log? That is about as stupid as what Glen is talking about... .

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I have a pretty old version and i've never heard of having to be connected to the ecu to log with jackal. Unless that's a new thing?

My old school version works just fine, no reason to upgrade. Unless i pick up a link logging cable to replace my messy diy cable. Which there is an update for.

Its my understanding that with any newer paid version that is the case... .

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Its my understanding that with any newer paid version that is the case... .

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Ah i see. So what exactly is the point of that? haha

turboglenn said:

Where did you find ECM/DSMlink cables for sale seperately? I have a friend that could really use one and they won't sell him a replacement eventhough you can tell he doesn't have a "copy" ECMlink but the real thing.

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First, know that I do respect your opinion on many things. You're one of the more knowledgeable, consistent and reasonable people I've seen on any forum, not just this one.

But on this particular topic, you're only seeing and presenting one side of the issue. It's just not that simple. I've been dealing with this for nearly a DECADE now and I've seen everything I can imagine with people trying to screw us over.

One guy even told me his dog ate his 2G V2 OBD2 adapter right after he received his package. I swear. I'm not kidding on this. When I told him we'd be happy to replace it free of charge if he just sent back the damaged parts, he told me it had already been thrown away and the trash had already been picked up.

He got all mad at me when I told him the adapter was the key part of his package (as we have documented all OVER the place), but you know what? A week later I caught him posting logs on our forums asking for help getting his car setup. When I asked him how he was tuning his car when his dog had destroyed his adapter, he just said "oh, yeah, I found a generic OBD2 adapter on E-bay".

That's complete crap. He could not have because nobody makes a replacement. Nobody. What I found out later is that he had a buddy looking to get DSMLink as well and he wanted this guy to con us out of a replacement adapter so he could just copy his chip and be on his way.

I've got SEVERAL such stories over the years. When people keep trying to steal stuff you made over and over again, it infuriates you. I'm not sure I can explain that feeling to anyone that hasn't been through it with their own product.

In cases where guys are buying used 2G DSMs without reading our guides on what must be included, I do feel a bit torn. I could help them out and sell adapters, but what happened to the original? I have no idea.

It could have been legitimately lost by the original owner or the original owner could have copied the chip before selling the car and kept the adapter for himself. How do I know? And how do I keep the new owner from just doing the same thing once I sell him a replacement adapter? I have no way. The adapter *is* the package. If it's lost, then the package is lost. People really should know that by now.

In cases of theft, I do make exceptions if they can provide me with a police report. A couple guys even tried to fake the police report, though, so that doesn't always work either.

In cases of lost adapters, I have a lot more leeway if someone I consider a long time or otherwise respected DSMer vouches for them. In this case, you would certainly qualify. If you send me an e-mail and tell me you've got personal involvement with someone else that's getting screwed on a deal, then that's a totally different story than someone that just randomly drops me an e-mail demanding that I sell them a replacement adapter. Not that your buddy did that...I really have no idea who he was, but the point is that we do make exceptions when we have a little more to go on than just a story from someone I've never heard of before.

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Now...for the topic here...our v3 cable was never really intended for resale. It's not priced for it. It is, literally, at break even cost just as a courtesy to our existing customers that need a replacement. We spent a couple YEARS developing our flash module so that the cable was no longer a "special item" and we could offer reasonable replacements to customers. It was seriously one of the biggest benefits to me when we released V3. We could FINALLY sell replacement cables to all our customers moving forward (V3, V4, whatever). The cable was no longer special. So we priced it as a courtesy to our existing customers.

If we start getting a bunch of sales to people that don't have ECMLink, then we're going to have to adjust the pricing to reflect the additional support. "Why doesn't my cable work? I broke mine, I want you to give me a discount on a replacement. Where do I find drivers? Why doesn't program x work right?", etc., etc.

So I'm not really inclined to help resolve this issue. I don't really want to be selling cables left and right. It's just too much of a support headache.

That said, the only issue you're going to find with using our cable with some other application is *entirely* an application issue. If you want an application to work with our cable, just explain to the developer that our cable uses the RTS line to activate the diagnostic pin on the car's connector and they can make the application work.

Thomas Dorris
ECMTuning, Inc.

twdorris..I can understand where you're coming from. And i guess you not being able to tell who's feeding you a line and who's not would make that hard. BUt honestly this guy is a young kid who bought the car of craigslist and was excited it already had a tuning solution installed and when i went to tune it i let him know he needed a cable and that's when he called me back later saying he couldn't get one. I guess the only way to say this guy wouldn'tcopy it is to take my word that he isn't bright enough to do so, he's just a younger guy who was excited and now can't (or hasn't yet) been able to drive his new car.

He trailered ithome and boought what was missing like the turbo,injectors and so on and now it's not tuned for what he has and just floods out.

I only know this guy because i got his dad's number to use as a good tow service and when at his shop saw a ton of wrecked DSM's that were somewhat built and asked "who's are those" and that's when he called his 19 year old son and he came out and i kinda liked that he was willing to listen andnot act like he knew everything as well as helping me out on some parts ineeded off the cars for fair prices.. soi've been dealing back and forth and helpingn him out since.. ifitweren't for him i wouldn't be AWD today but he got me an AWD, towed it to my house,picked up the scraps when i was done and carriedemoff...he's a good kid


what you're offering i consider more than fair enough and i will contact you asap about this.. thank you very much! YOu don't know the amount of grief you'll lift off this poor kids shoulders by allowing a sale, and i'll stand behind the factthat nothing couterfeit will happen with the cable PERIOD!

Come on guys for the second time, we are talking about the LOGGING CABLE. Lets keep this on topic for others to use in the future. The op asked about using the logging cable with other programs, please read the thread entirely before posting.

To help keep this on topic, here are some recent threads for reference:

http://www.dsmtuners.com/forums/maintenance-repairs/428216-usb-link-cable.html

http://www.dsmtuners.com/forums/newbie-forum/427546-new-dsm-datalogger.html


and a write up from My1gdsm:
http://www.dsmtuners.com/forums/articles-tuning-ecu/429444-how-log-your-1g-tuner-pro-rt.html

Tom explained the issue in the last part of his post in case you missed it.
The ECMTuning cable uses the state of RTS to activate pin 10 on the DLC.

steve said:

Tom explained the issue in the last part of his post in case you missed it.

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Yep the issue was resolved about a week prior and they released an update for it, as i said in post #7 in case you missed it.

steve said:

The ECMTuning cable uses the state of RTS to activate pin 10 on the DLC.

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Thanks tom, good info. Just a little late but good info non the less, thanks for sharing. After digging around and finding out the v3 logging cable works with so many loggers now, should help sell a few more cables. Especially since we can recommend this cable to every new comer as one of the first, if not "the first", mod/item to buy.

The only 1g logging cable, odb1 to usb that i know of.
ECMTuning, Inc.

Cant beat the price either, the diy cable with keyspan costs nearly as much.

91stocker said:

After digging around and finding out the v3 logging cable works with so many loggers now, should help sell a few more cables. Especially since we can recommend this cable to every new comer as one of the first, if not "the first", mod/item to buy.

Cant beat the price either, the diy cable with keyspan costs nearly as much.

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Not trying to be a jerk, but did you notice the parts where Tom says," Now...for the topic here...our v3 cable was never really intended for resale. It's not priced for it. It is, literally, at break even cost just as a courtesy to our existing customers that need a replacement. We spent a couple YEARS developing our flash module so that the cable was no longer a "special item" and we could offer reasonable replacements to customers. It was seriously one of the biggest benefits to me when we released V3. We could FINALLY sell replacement cables to all our customers moving forward (V3, V4, whatever). The cable was no longer special. So we priced it as a courtesy to our existing customers.

If we start getting a bunch of sales to people that don't have ECMLink, then we're going to have to adjust the pricing to reflect the additional support. "Why doesn't my cable work? I broke mine, I want you to give me a discount on a replacement. Where do I find drivers? Why doesn't program x work right?", etc., etc.

So I'm not really inclined to help resolve this issue. I don't really want to be selling cables left and right. It's just too much of a support headache."

rts91tsi said:

Not trying to be a jerk, but did you notice the parts where Tom says," Now...for the topic here...our v3 cable was never really intended for resale. It's not priced for it. It is, literally, at break even cost just as a courtesy to our existing customers that need a replacement. We spent a couple YEARS developing our flash module so that the cable was no longer a "special item" and we could offer reasonable replacements to customers. It was seriously one of the biggest benefits to me when we released V3. We could FINALLY sell replacement cables to all our customers moving forward (V3, V4, whatever). The cable was no longer special. So we priced it as a courtesy to our existing customers.

If we start getting a bunch of sales to people that don't have ECMLink, then we're going to have to adjust the pricing to reflect the additional support. "Why doesn't my cable work? I broke mine, I want you to give me a discount on a replacement. Where do I find drivers? Why doesn't program x work right?", etc., etc.

So I'm not really inclined to help resolve this issue. I don't really want to be selling cables left and right. It's just too much of a support headache."

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So change the price, big deal...


I wish hak would have never quit making his usb cables. Great looking cable and worked with everything. I never did get a hold of one of those. Maybe we should petition him to start producing cables again, if an increase in sales is going to be an issue with the link guys.

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So change the price, big deal...


I wish hak would have never quit making his usb cables. Great looking cable and worked with everything. I never did get a hold of one of those. Maybe we should petition him to start producing cables again, if an increase in sales is going to be an issue with the link guys.

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I'm a stock ECU guy, no Jackal though, but I am using an open source SD-bin for now.

I totally understand that USB cables for logging are almost a necessity, since most laptops no longer have a db-9 connection. Which is why I posted a how to that tell people what they need and how to easily make their own cable for 1g based loggers.

I use the cable from that how to for logging and it works just fine. I stand to gain nothing from the info I posted, other than the fact that maybe I helped a few people.

The only reason I quoted what Tom stated was out of respect for his request for people to use the cable as it was intended.

This is why in my how to I say "say you have Ecmlink cable sitting in front of you.' an posted a link to your how to make a cable...

It was never my intent by sharing it works to point people to go buy a cable. It was more of a hey this works an you can use it on your other Non ecmlink car.

I do say though Tom as much as you guys are part of the DSM community that if it was possible to sell the 1g v3 cable to the general public with out a price increase (for some reason I recall them costing more as it is at one point IDK) that you would sell quite a few (it's not that hard to state the there is no user support out side of use with Ecmlink)and should just to help this community But that's just an opinion... .

I'm gonna update soon that How to to reflect what Tom has said though, As I don't want them to have the headache of people that are looking for support of something outside of what they offer and any Miss understandings of what it will do...

MY1GDSM said:

This is why in my how to I say "say you have Ecmlink cable sitting in front of you.' an posted a link to your how to make a cable...

It was never my intent by sharing it works to point people to go buy a cable. It was more of a hey this works an you can use it on your other Non ecmlink car.

I do say though Tom as much as you guys are part of the DSM community that if it was possible to sell the 1g v3 cable to the general public with out a price increase (for some reason I recall them costing more as it is at one point IDK) that you would sell quite a few (it's not that hard to state the there is no user support out side of use with Ecmlink)and should just to help this community But that's just an opinion... .

I'm gonna update soon that How to to reflect what Tom has said though, As I don't want them to have the headache of people that are looking for support of something outside of what they offer and any Miss understandings of what it will do...

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I realize that you have Link, and have their cable as a result, and that you were not suggesting that it is the only usable cable.

I think it is awesome that you did a write up about logging with TunerPro, Thank You! The screen shots are priceless, especially for newbies to the software, who may not understand or how to configure the settings for the data acquisition.

It would be cool if the guys at ECMTuning would make a logging cable available to the masses for PC logging, considering not too many DSMers know more about the data acquisition interface than them. I remember a while ago when Ceddy was talking about MHI Scan, there was talk from the ECMTuning camp about creating a logger software that was separate from the Link package. Too bad it never materialized!

Eh, it's not a big deal either way. We'll raise the price if we have to. But "just raise the price" isn't exactly as easy as it sounds for the reasons I've already stated.

Thomas Dorris
ECMTuning, Inc.

Tom I have to say that I completely understand where you're coming from. Theft disgusts me and so do the people that do it. Why not offer a "limited/no support" licensing for cables? That way you could sell cables to people w/o selling them the software/forum access. I think people would still buy that. I'm guessing it doesn't fit into the business model anywhere though.