They fail more often and within less cycles of a chinabay TiAl knockoff.


Also, PTE pays $44 (cost) per 46mm wastegate.


Food for thought.

This was the conclusion of a test done in your own lab?

Not saying I'm not on board with what you're saying, Andrew- it's just quite unlike you to make bold statements without proof to back them up.

Sounds like their wastegates have the same problems that their turbos have?

JusMX141 said:

This was the conclusion of a test done in your own lab?

Not saying I'm not on board with what you're saying, Andrew- it's just quite unlike you to make bold statements without proof to back them up.

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This was the result from TiAl's non partisan dynamic failure analysis testing of competing products.

Good to know, Thanks for the info!

I had one and thought it was great, never gave me one problem. I had to get rid of it in favor of a turbosmart because i needed a smaller body as it sligtly touched my radiator when i changed my setup around.

Boosted98gsx said:

This was the result from TiAl's non partisan dynamic failure analysis testing of competing products.

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Really? Tial's non partisan testing of COMPETING products. Somehow that makes no sense considering that Tial isn't a neutral party and they're the ones doing the testing, that's like Mitsubishi doing their own non partisan testing of the Subaru.

So, where are Tial's un-biased test results? We'd like to see 'em.

Mine has worked fine for the past 15000 miles of daily abuse.... But it may fail tomorrow, ya never know.

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Really? Tial's non partisan testing of COMPETING products. Somehow that makes no sense considering that Tial isn't a neutral party and they're the ones doing the testing, that's like Mitsubishi doing their own non partisan testing of the Subaru.

So, where are Tial's un-biased test results? We'd like to see 'em.

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Yes, I knew that would be brought up. However, all tial did was strap different gates to the same test, fluctuate them at the same rate, over the same temperature, and simply count the quantity of cycles until failure.

Knockoff TiAL MVS Tested - YouTube

Mine seems to be doing just fine. That test probably simulates years and years of constant abuse. I don't really plan on road racing my car. I think I will be just fine.

I just bought a PTE 39mm, hope what your saying isn't true. I've only heard good things about these wastegates until now after I bought one, go figure. Is there any model in particular that's in question?

The valve in that video opened and closed more times in five minutes (elapsed) than most wastegates open during their lifespan on a car. It was also subject to more heat and abuse than any wastegate would normally ever see during operation. If you regularly have flames blowing out of your wastegate while it's open, you're also going to have exhaust valves and turbine wheels blowing out your exhaust pipe on a regular basis as well.

This thread is being closed as blatant part review / feedback threads are welcome here and not in an open tech forum.....especially from an original poster who has never run a PTE wastegate. Plenty have gone fast with certain PTE turbos even if their internals and wastegates are outsourced garbage.

If you search the net you'll soon find that there have been people who have had trouble with every brand of turbo including Forced Performance, Blouch, PTE, Turbonetics....you name it. It's not that we don't accept part review feedback on this site, it's more that this is not the correct way to go about it coming from someone who has never used the product in question.


Andrew- a good idea for a tech thread on the topic would be to buy one of their gates, document the install as well as how it performs during the life of the wastegate's operation, as well as the time in which it fails (if it fails). Personally I don't know what you have against PTE wastegates that you've held such a grudge over the past three years (http://www.dsmtuners.com/forums/bolt-tech/355061-pte-knockoff-wastegates.html).

Would you just move it?

pwetty pweese?

This is absoluetly ridiculous. You are using performance parts to modify a vehicle for racing purposes. Nothing is going to work perfect and last forever. Some people have good luck out of China quality stuff and swear by it, while others have good luck with name brand more expensive parts and swear by those. There's a market out there for anyone wanting to build a car any way they would like. I personally have no preferance, i've built many DSM's with many different brands on different budgets, and had seemingly good luck. With that being said, post like this piss me off. This thread was meant to try and hurt sales of a company, because of one test you (not doubting) have seen some results of done by a COMPETING COMPANY. I'm a huge Tial fan and currently use them, but this is absurd. As far as cost goes, thats called business. You build a reputation, you prove your parts, and you earn a living. You think the 1,000-1,500 exhaust manifolds cost over 200-300 hundred in supplies with the manufactures cost on the tubing? This is why I frequent this board every day for the past 7 or 8 years and have single digits in post. I couldn't hold my tongue on this one. I've seen alot of your post and this has made me lose all respect for you.
Matt

Boosted98gsx said:

Would you just move it?

pwetty pweese?

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Where? As I said we'll only accept part feedback from someone who has actually used the part in question and not just a blanket statement such as this thread.

If you'd like you can start a new thread titled "Chinese knockoff wastegate failure" to warn those against the failures in general and link the video from post #9. Nowhere in that video did I see Precision's name brought up, so owners of PTE gates can't really assume their products fall into the category that the video is targeting. Even then it's a stretch because at some point someone's going to mention how China made a run of knockoff TiAL's at one point (which I'm sure they're still in deep shit with TiAL over copyright laws), then everyone's going to assume all TiAL's are Chinese and it will just snowball into a huge fail train.

Do as you please- this thread has run it's course.

mits3kgt320tt said:

This is absoluetly ridiculous. You are using performance parts to modify a vehicle for racing purposes. Nothing is going to work perfect and last forever. Some people have good luck out of China quality stuff and swear by it, while others have good luck with name brand more expensive parts and swear by those. There's a market out there for anyone wanting to build a car any way they would like. I personally have no preferance, i've built many DSM's with many different brands on different budgets, and had seemingly good luck. With that being said, post like this piss me off. This thread was meant to try and hurt sales of a company, because of one test you (not doubting) have seen some results of done by a COMPETING COMPANY. I'm a huge Tial fan and currently use them, but this is absurd. As far as cost goes, thats called business. You build a reputation, you prove your parts, and you earn a living. You think the 1,000-1,500 exhaust manifolds cost over 200-300 hundred in supplies with the manufactures cost on the tubing? This is why I frequent this board every day for the past 7 or 8 years and have single digits in post. I couldn't hold my tongue on this one. I've seen alot of your post and this has made me lose all respect for you.
Matt

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Is it really ridiculous to expect parts on a thermodynamic system to last longer than 6000 cycles during their lifetime?