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No. Or you could buy a Cummins/Holset, MHI or BorgWarner in the first place and not worry about it so much.

Plus rebuilding a journal bearing is cheaper than buying a whole new BB CHRA.

And way to bump a 19 month old thread, guy. LOL
 
Well the thread made awhile ago was very interesting and very related to myself whom is building a 420A on the side and needing to turbo it. Garrett is not going anywhere near my Motor.
 
Sometimes this site amazes me. Yes, Garrett turbos are now the same as an ebay turbo. :banghead:
 
Well the thread made awhile ago was very interesting and very related to myself whom is building a 420A on the side and needing to turbo it. Garrett is not going anywhere near my Motor.

That still doesn't explain your line of logic (or lack thereof) regarding garrett v. eBay turbos.

How did you determine that random ebay turbo would have any interchangeable internals with any Garrett? Let alone why that would be a good idea.

I am finding that the more posts of yours I stumble across, the less sense they make..

Good Luck on your 420A. :thumb:
 
THE POINT is. If there are alot of interchangeable parts between named turbochargers and, knockoffs, could I safely rebuild a knockoff with named brand internals to support my HP goals of 300+?



I've been reading through alot of forums about ebay turbos, and I see alot of bad mouthing of ebay turbos by people, who've never even seen one. Then again alot of ebay turbo users reporting failures, without accurately describing the break in process they went through with the turbo, instead it seems alot of them just "Slapped" the turbo on and took it to the limit, blew the turbo, then called it crap.

Versus seeing how may ebay turbos have had good longevity, while being serviced properly.

I've decided not to go with Garrett based on many reviews and finally this read as well as other negative reads about Garrett turbos and they're comparison to the many Ebay knockoffs as well as 'China" manufactured turbochargers on the market.

Since there are alot of "Knock-off" turbochargers based off of reverse engineered Garrett turbochargers it is safe to assume there are alot of turbochargers, that are from a named company that have knock-offs on the market as well. Which anyone can safely assumed, that alot of parts are interchangeable.

But none of this matters anyway because its just an old thread about some posting written by some person who didnt make any sense at all anyway, brought up by some noob with a neon.
 
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Maybe you could claim the housings are swappable with some machining, but that is about it. You don't have to take an eBay turbo "to the limit" to fail, some of them fail in minutes.

So heres the thing I don't get, I have to use a knockoff turbo that has a high rate of failure and have it take out a build before commenting?

I don't have to have sex with a Somali hooker to know its a bad idea.

You should just refrain from posting on topics like this and save some face. Holy hell.

Basically it sounds like you want to justify your choice in using cheap crap. Maybe the reason they failed is because the people who are foolish enough to buy a cheap knockoff ebay turbo have done the same corner cutting and lack of research throughout the rest of the build?

Logic.. get some.
 
But none of this matters anyway because its just an old thread about some posting written by some person who didnt make any sense at all anyway, brought up by some noob with a neon.

I see more red dots in your future
 
Maybe you could claim the housings are swappable with some machining, but that is about it. You don't have to take an eBay turbo "to the limit" to fail, some of them fail in minutes.

So heres the thing I don't get, I have to use a knockoff turbo that has a high rate of failure and have it take out a build before commenting?

I don't have to have sex with a Somali hooker to know its a bad idea.

You should just refrain from posting on topics like this and save some face. Holy hell.

Basically it sounds like you want to justify your choice in using cheap crap. Maybe the reason they failed is because the people who are foolish enough to buy a cheap knockoff ebay turbo have done the same corner cutting and lack of research throughout the rest of the build?

Logic.. get some.

Just for your information I'm not using an ebay turbo.

What if by chance, alot of these knockoffs aren't knockoffs, and they are just either failled turbo or low quality built ones to supplement the pockets of the name companies? Could it be possible?

I dont know anything about hookers.

ANYWAY with some machine work housing can be swappable, which I guess isn't matter unless your worried about the housing cracking under pressure, which I could understand. But with your answer, you saying that a rebuild kit made by lets say HKS, would not work on an exact copy or "Knock-off"? If not I'll STFU and move on.
 
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No nothing like that my friend. for some reason it makes sense in my head that if something is reverse-engineered that alot of parts would be swappable. Maybe I'm just dead ass wrong about the whole thing, and I'm willing to admit that, but I want a straight answer.

Can you rebuild, one of those knock off turbos, from "China", Ebay, or wherever the heck they are coming from with very much valid turbocharger rebuild parts?
 
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Reverse engineered, yes but what makes them cheap is they take that reverse engineering and start cheaping out everywhere. Lower quality metals, maybe a tiny detail that they missed that could be crucial to keeping a turbo alive, who knows. Hell are they even balanced? Are you willing to gamble and possibly have metal from the turbo floating inside your engine? There's ways to make a budget build. This isn't one of them. I would take a used MHI turbo over a knockoff any day. You don't know what kind of changes they made in there to cut costs. Ask Justin how many ebay turbos have he rebuilt and how many he couldn't rebuilt because of mismatching parts.
 
Anyway with alot of the new information floating around about these companies, especially these ebay sellers turning into reputable companies selling more than just decent hard mechanical parts, goes to show that small companies working sometimes from the scraps of these larger, sometimes failing at times companies producing turbochargers, that either do not pass through their QA QC process or never get tested... are being tested either on the open market by turbocharger users. Some are failing right away, some are failing till years of abuse, some are lasting a long time.

Some turbo installs, especially if done improperly, deserve to fail. Some turbo users have it coming to them when they decide to g beyond the limits of their engine and turbo setup. But when these turbochargers fail, the blame becomes stuck on the small company who sold it, and given the Scarlet Letter.

Buying an Ebay turbo is like taking a gamble and rolling the dice, with all but unfair odds, in most opinions, but it seems more and more that its an even bigger gamble when your comparing 180 dollars to 2300 dollars, for 25-30 lbs of metal which cost about the same to produce.
 
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I see more red dots in your future

LOL^^


Leonthefaded said:
I don't know anything about hookers.
OMG

Leonthefaded said:
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Can you rebuild, one of those knock off turbos, from "China", Ebay, or wherever the heck they are coming from with very much valid turbocharger rebuild parts?

Possibly, maybe but why bother ?? I mean after all the R&D, inspecting parts, sourcing/matching the interchangeable parts, labor, trial and error, and redesigning the turbo from its flawed counterpart you might as well just buy a reliable one. I mean unless you went to school for something like this or plan on rebuilding and selling them why bother?
 
I defiantly dont want to rebuild one to sell it, if I could with my limited skills now rebuild a turbo, which who knows, maybe its not hard at all. I would keep it and use it. Why bother? Isn't it a good thing to be able to save money, on a reliable piece of equipment, and benefit from all of the great value.

I could buy a 1200 turbo from retailer or some vendor. Or I could buy a knock off at 1/4 of that vendor/retailers price, then buy a reputable rebuild kit, or take it to somone who rebuilds turbochargers, for another 1/4 the cost of the 1200 dollar named turbocharger. Theoretically spending half of what it costs for that 1200 unit, which is better That the 600 dollar named units on the current market. AND has more reliability then the knock-off units untouched.

If in fact alot of the named turbocharger companies are manufacturing their turbochargers over seas in he same factories as the cheaply named "China" turbos. Then what is the real difference between them? I'm not saying conspiracy, I'm saying common sense tells me, that it would be smart of them to sell failed turbochargers to the lowest bidder on ebay, or to a company in mass who will buy them and sell them off as new, as long as the Garrett stamp isn't on it, instead "TURBOCHARGER" would be stamped on it, and a pretty HTML ebay page in place of the companies website product store. All because it failed in some sort of way in the QAQC process.

You'd have to be foolish to think any turbocharger costs anywhere near 1200-3600 dollars for a single turbocharger. Its common knowledge there is a argue markup. Its common sense that there is a production and shipping cost. Most of these cheaper turbos are sold out of California, maybe because its cheaper to ship from "China" to California then anywhere in the US. The US being one of the number 1 countries with the most consumers buying turbochargers.
 
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China isn't like some small village in Asia, it is a massive country with thousands upon thousands of merchants and manufacturers. Why does it seem so improbable that they do not originate in the same place?

If you have ever held for examble a legit 61mm T04 Garrett (non BB) and a knock off garrett wanna be like one of those 61mm T4 guys with something like "J84"stamped on the comp housing... it's visually obvious on the outside the difference in quality, fit and finish.

Godspeed 16Gs for instance are famous for simple stuff like bolt holes on the turbine housing being not even remotely in the right spot. Cracks, seams/risers blatant casting flaws etc.

http://www.dsmtuners.com/forums/art...1680-china-ebay-7cm-td05-turbine-housing.html

This is a Godspeed turbo:
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This is just one example, and not even the worst I have seen.

And those are just the minor issues... what about the CHRAs?

For all the time you've spent making things up, proposing ifs/whats you could have taken 5 minutes to actually do some research and not look like a complete fool.

It took all of a 30 second search effort to find that.

Look. Look how dumb you come across. ROFL

So drop it.
 
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I could buy a 1200 turbo from retailer or some vendor. Or I could buy a knock off at 1/4 of that vendor/retailers price, then buy a reputable rebuild kit, or take it to somone who rebuilds turbochargers, for another 1/4 the cost of the 1200 dollar named turbocharger. Theoretically spending half of what it costs for that 1200 unit, which is better That the 600 dollar named units on the current market. AND has more reliability then the knock-off units untouched.

If in fact alot of the named turbocharger companies are manufacturing their turbochargers over seas in he same factories as the cheaply named "China" turbos. Then what is the real difference between them? I'm not saying conspiracy, I'm saying common sense tells me, that it would be smart of them to sell failed turbochargers to the lowest bidder on ebay, or to a company in mass who will buy them and sell them off as new, as long as the Garrett stamp isn't on it, instead "TURBOCHARGER" would be stamped on it, and a pretty HTML ebay page in place of the companies website product store. All because it failed in some sort of way in the QAQC process.

You'd have to be foolish to think any turbocharger costs anywhere near 1200-3600 dollars for a single turbocharger. Its common knowledge there is a argue markup. Its common sense that there is a production and shipping cost. Most of these cheaper turbos are sold out of California, maybe because its cheaper to ship from "China" to California then anywhere in the US. The US being one of the number 1 countries with the most consumers buying turbochargers.

Well it is common knowledge to sell parts that don't meet QC to whoever wants it. Dana axle shafts are sold like that. Yukon makes top notch 4340 axle shafts. Any that don't meet their QA are sold to other smaller companies for a cheaper price and then rebranded.

You say it isn't about budget yet you keep comparing Price A with Price B and why you should pay for Price A if Price B + amount to service is less than Price A. If that's not trying to find a way to cut corners then I don't know what is.

The markup for those prices are for the R&D that went into it. People that are smarter than you or me designed these turbos and they need to be paid for their work.
 
I appreciate your educated response and your right. Theres a reason some turbochargers cost more than others. My question is resolved.
 
This is a Godspeed turbo
Actually that's a Godspeed Project reject turbine housing (blem) that came from a separate eBay auction. This is not the quality of the housing that they actually sell on their turbos....but from what I've found their turbos are not any different than any other ChinaBay special. They just charge more, offer a better warranty, and profit more should you never need to use the warranty.
 
I wonder how long it lasted without being properly balanced?

Not long I would imagine
 
Is there a special tool that checks the balance of a rebuilt turbo? Or does a machine shop specialize in that as well?
 
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