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numbertwelve

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Oct 6, 2010
Crawfordville, Florida
I have a 1997 auto gst the car is completely stock when i bought my gsx (about 8 months ago) i let the gst sit until about 3 months ago when i was trying to sell it. i would go out and let the gst run for about 15 mins every couple days. it would always start right up and run great until lets say "wednesday" i let it run for a little while shut it off went out to start it up again on "friday" and it would start up sputter and shut off. i have already checked the timing, replaced the plugs & wires, added 4 gallons of fresh gas and a can of sea form "there was only about a gallon of old gas in before i added fresh" replaced the MFI and fuel pump relays, checked the fuel pump, checked for boost leaks, swapped out the mass air flow sensor with the one out of my gsx and replaced the cam positioning sensor. As is stands right now the car will start, run and sputter while the rpm rise and fall without touching the throttle when you rev the engine to about 2k rpms it runs fine until you try and drive and it loses all power after you hit about 2k rpms then loses power and when you turn the ignition off it diesels about 4times before shutting off.

I really need to get this car going again as i have alot of work i need to get done to my gsx and i would really like to sell it... If any of you have some idea's please let me know and ill tell you the results.
 
has codes not sure what they are last time i did a scan i got a cam positioning sensor and o2 sensor, the fuel filter only has about 5k miles on it haven't done a boost test on it will get on that and update you guys. thanks.
 
The dieseling could be caused by leaky injectors seeping fuel into the cylinders after you shut the car down. Sometimes a hot spot on a plug can cause the fuel mixture to ignite.
I would start with the cheapest thing first and replace your spark plugs with some fresh NGK's. The old ones may have gotten a little coroded when the car sat.
 
Pull the fuel rail and make sure you are not having an injector leaking fuel. If so, you can narrow it down visually.
 
seeing as you didn't do anything to it except start it and let it sit i doubt its anything serious to happen that quick i would think it is something stupid like maybe you had some debris sucked up into your fuel filter or maybe you got some water in your gas "that's what i would suspect" chugging definitely sounds like the maf sensor i would put a bottle of dry gas in it along with some fuel injector cleaner or you can get the lucas dry gas / fuel injector cleaner combo at auto zone then try running the car without the mass air flow sensor plugged in if you see any difference in a good way.. there ya go.. if it makes it worst cross that off ya list but sounds like water in your fuel :-?
 
i checked the cam timing marks. i put a bottle of lucas in today and let it run it seems to have smoothed out a little bit but still sputtering, dieseling and almost dies when you put it in gear.

ill take a video with my phone and post it if i can.

Video-0002.mp4 video by xxnumbertwelvexx - Photobucket


Firing order is fine coilpacks: 4123 cylinders: 4321
the plugs in there now are just bosch platinum gaped to 0.31
 
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I can't watch the video at work, but these cars seem to really like ngk bpr6es plugs gapped to .028.

seeing as you didn't do anything to it except start it and let it sit i doubt its anything serious to happen that quick i would think it is something stupid like maybe you had some debris sucked up into your fuel filter or maybe you got some water in your gas "that's what i would suspect" chugging definitely sounds like the maf sensor i would put a bottle of dry gas in it along with some fuel injector cleaner or you can get the lucas dry gas / fuel injector cleaner combo at auto zone then try running the car without the mass air flow sensor plugged in if you see any difference in a good way.. there ya go.. if it makes it worst cross that off ya list but sounds like water in your fuel :-?

I do not believe the car would start without signal from the MAF.

Also, did you say it "diesels when put in gear"?
I'm curious as to your understanding of the term Dieseling is.
 
The term dieseling refers to the engine running a few strokes after the car is shut down. It is typically caused by a HOT SPOT in the cylinder and a little left over fuel in the cylinder. The compression of the piston makes it fire without a spark, similar to a diesel...thus the term dieseling.

did you ever change or at least clean the plugs with a wire brush?
 
I'm aware of what dieseling is, but I've never heard of it before with a DSM. I guess theoretically it could happen, but it would if he just fired it up and let it idle, then shut it down, the motor simply wouldn't be hot enough. The cylinder walls would rob heat, the intake valves would rob heat. I just don't see it happening. Especially if this is a new symptom. Let's say there is a leaky injector, but where did the hot spot in the piston come from? Are you knocking badly under WOT? because if you're not, then there isn't going to be a hot spot. Simple as that.
 
What type of fuel was in it? If it's typical pump piss with the 10% ethanol that is common these days, that "gallon of old gas" could be mostly water after sitting this long. Water in fuel severely lowers the octane, which can allow dieseling to happen at even low cylinder temperatures.

I would replace the plugs as Jeff suggested, completely drain the tank and put about 3 gallons of pure 91 gas in it, and start from there.
 
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i have never drained the tank before would it be covered in the chilton's manual? i also unplugged the thottle positioning sensor and it ran the same as it was while it was plugged in. ill pick up some fresh plugs tomorrow on my way home from work and figure out how to drain that "pump piss" LOL and let you guys know what happens.
 
i have never drained the tank before would it be covered in the chilton's manual? i also unplugged the thottle positioning sensor and it ran the same as it was while it was plugged in. ill pick up some fresh plugs tomorrow on my way home from work and figure out how to drain that "pump piss" LOL and let you guys know what happens.

On a 1G it's just a simple drain plug (22mm or 24mm I think...I forget) on the bottom of the tank, driver's side. A 2G should be similar, but I couldn't tell you for sure. Just get under there and search for what looks like a drain plug. :)
 
sorry work / school has me pretty busy so i haven't had much time to get back into it but i picked up a set of ngk's yesterday and was going to put them in and drain the gas and i heard a really faint hissing sound "vacuum leak" coming from behind the intake manifold so i reached down beside the battery and grabbed the vacuum hose running from the canister to the intake and it got quite a bit louder and the rpm's went up so hopefully tomorrow ill try and find the source. seeing as i live in a fairly wooded area and squirrels are known to eat hose's and wiring around here the possibility is pretty high and would also explain the reason it happened so quickly.
 
alright sorry been so long since i updated you guys. checked all my timing marks and it seems it jumped timing so im going to buy a new belt and tensioner today and get it installed. will let you know of my results.
 
Alright i reset my timing and the car runs alot better than before but it still sputters slighty during idle and is still dieseling. I've replaced / checked... Injectors, Fuel pump, TPS, Cam positioning sensor, Crank positioning sensor, Mass airflow sensor, Plugs & Wires and cleaned the throttle body. I have also looked everywhere i can think of for the "vacuum leak" sound I'm hearing around the Intake manifold and have yet to find any split or loose hoses.
 
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