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HX35, E85, 26-27lbs,BPR7ES = Spark Blowout???

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BoostedBeaver

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Ok, so I finally got enough injector to push the boost past 24lbs. I am running BPR7es that are gaped to .026 with magnacore 8mm wires with stock coil pack that passes the resistance test.

The first log is the pull just before my problem occurs. This was taken maybe 15min before my problem log. It was a nice clean pull. You will notice that the AFR is actually a little lower than commanded due to the E85 grade change. No worries, I was going to change after a 2nd log confirmed it. The boost does spike in the 4500 range to 26 psi with no problems. This was a strong pull and felt pretty good.

The next two logs will contain the problem. All three logs where taken within an hour. The only change that was made is one increment up on duty cycle in the 4500 and up 3rd gear row in the WGS tab. Around 4500 in both logs the car feels like it hits the rev limit. It stumbles really hard. Of course I let out. I checked to make sure the rev limit did not change and NLTS was not activated. The log shows a lean spike while studdering like a misfire. The injector duty cycle does not rapidly change and no knock is present.

When the problem kicks in it seems to be within the same parameters as the above log. I am guessing that since the pressure is continuing to rise(not fall to 23-24lbs like the first log), the cylinder pressure is causing spark blow out?? It happens each time around 4500rpm, 6.27 loadfactor, 25-26lbs of boost, good battery voltage, constant duty cycle, and solid AFR's. The problem does not persist if boost is turned back down. I have never seen blowout on a log and was wondering if this was it??? Any suggestion or personal preference of what gap you run is also greatly appreciated.
 

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I would try .024 or .025. Your on E85 so it likes the larger spark and if its too small you may have issues. I have my gap set to .025 on E85 running 30 psi on a borg s259 ett.
 
.026 is too big...try .018-.020

Agreed. I looked at your mod list. If you have a coil on plug with no igntion box, put wires back on it. Start takin the gap down. I wouldn't go past .018 though.
 
first and foremost do a boost leak test. double check afr's.and adjust as needed. I have ran 30 psi with plug gap at .28 on a bpr8es and haven't checked them in a year. I have no issues. In past experiances with spark blow out I have found that boost leaks, overly rich tunes, (below 10.5afr) and a bad set of plug wires have all drove me nuts chasing down spark blow out. The only different is that I'm on pump gas and your on e85. I dont think your fuel choice would make spark blow out an issue.
 
Thank you for the fast replies.

Swith to br8es non projected plugs. Or might be your wires hitting something.

If a smaller gap does not fix it, I may give it a shot. As far as the wires. They are ran with "wiggle" room with no visible pinholes in the boots, so I do not believe that is the problem.

Thanks for the input

I would try .024 or .025. Your on E85 so it likes the larger spark and if its too small you may have issues. I have my gap set to .025 on E85 running 30 psi on a borg s259 ett.

This is good to know. Maybe a new set of 7es at the .24 will allow me to use all this extra fuel I now have. :thumb:

Thanks

If you have a coil on plug with no igntion box, put wires back on it.

No coil on plug here
I am running BPR7es that are gaped to .026 with magnacore 8mm wires with stock coil pack that passes the resistance test.
but I will give the smaller gap a shot first and see what happens.

first and foremost do a boost leak test. double check afr's.and adjust as needed. I have ran 30 psi with plug gap at .28 on a bpr8es and haven't checked them in a year. I have no issues. In past experiences with spark blow out I have found that boost leaks, overly rich tunes, (below 10.5afr) and a bad set of plug wires have all drove me nuts chasing down spark blow out. The only different is that I'm on pump gas and your on e85. I don't think your fuel choice would make spark blow out an issue.

I did a boost leak test two days ago up to 35 psi with minimal loss through the crankcase. I will do another tomorrow to see if I blew something loose. AFR's where right at 11.5 (what was commanded). This is rich for E-85 and was going to be leaned out after the first pull. Spark plug wires do not even have 1000 miles on them and are in excellent shape physically.

Thanks for the input. I will lean it out to around 11.8 after the smaller gap and see which, if any, will solve my issue.

Robert
 
I Said Br8es because you are running E85. I had bpr7es but I swap them because of the same problem. Im running a turbo very similar to you on power and I picked up 5 horsepower just for switching to 8s to.025.give it a try is only 10 bucks.
 
I Said Br8es because you are running E85. I had bpr7es but I swap them because of the same problem. Im running a turbo very similar to you on power and I picked up 5 horsepower just for switching to 8s to.025.give it a try is only 10 bucks.

Thank you again for the input. Have you noticed any problems with hard cold starts since the 8es??? I am going to see what the local stores have in stock. If they have 7's and 8's I will pick up a set of both, if not I will see when they can have them. Thanks again for your input.

Robert
 
When I'm using e85 I notice a cold start problem as well. Instead of the normal 3-5 revolutions it takes 7-10 revolutions, interested to see what other people say.
 
Dave's plugs are gapped at .018". I've seen spark blowout at .026" on 20G cars running 20+psi.

Hell, I was getting spark blowout at .026" on my 14b the other night, granted intake temps were 40*F. LOL
 
Thank you again for the input. Have you noticed any problems with hard cold starts since the 8es??? I am going to see what the local stores have in stock. If they have 7's and 8's I will pick up a set of both, if not I will see when they can have them. Thanks again for your input.

Robert

It takes a little while but not more than when the 7s were in, ill say like 3 seconds. Hope you get your problem solve. :)
 
Def get the gap down to the .18-.2 mark. Also, and other's feel free to chime in, but try to index your plugs as best you can facing the intake valves. Thats where the fuel is entering from and having them face that way can improve efficiency. Easiest way to index is to use a sharpie somewhere you can see from above the motor. Its something minor, and isn't really talked about much on here, but if you're looking to make sure everything is 100% squared away, its a great start :)
 
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Not pertaining to your problem, but recalibrate your TPS... It bothers me. Post back after the new plugs.

LOL No matter how many times I do it, 97% is always the maximum for me. I set the percentages to 0 and 100%, do one push to the floor, and run the tool. Thanks for taking a look at the log.

Dave's plugs are gapped at .018". I've seen spark blowout at .026" on 20G cars running 20+psi.

This makes me feel better. I will make the gap smaller and see how she reacts.

It takes a little while but not more than when the 7s were in, ill say like 3 seconds. Hope you get your problem solve.

Thanks and me too.

Also, and other's feel free to chime in, but try to index your plugs as best you can facing the intake valves.

Interesting :aha:

As for the hard start, it's E85 and the colder the weather the harder they are to start :/

Sadly enough, this is a draw back to E85. She will be getting garaged for the winter soon, so this really should not be a huge issue. I just did not want to kill the battery trying to start it once a week. :coy:

Robert
 
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Before storage are you going to drain the e85? I would run a tank of 93 before I stored her personally.

After the event this weekend and some other driving, there will be minimal E85 in the tank. I still plan to run the car about once a week, so I will leave a little in the tank and as it runs out replenish with fresh fuel. I will drain what is left during spring and fill her up with some fresh E85 (E70) before I start beating on her again.

The fuel system was just installed and has 4 passes and some idle time on it. I do not plan on running a tank of E85, but it is only a few clicks away. :p

Robert
 
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