Alright, looking to do an awd conversion im aware of the amount of fabrication that will need to be done. All kinds of cutting and welding and custom made parts.

Wanting to know the pros and cons of the tsi drive train. Weaknesses and things you'll will would concider changing to make the system stonger and more reliable.

Me and my friend did a 2g awd conversion..You don't need to do any fabrication if you have an AWD shell to work with, you just cut off the pieces and swap them over...also if you don't want to weld the rear bolts you can just buy new bolts with a hex head and put a nut on the other end..There really is not a lot of fabrication.

For the strengthening part, my 200k talon is doing fine on the stock awd components..are you trying to build a rally car? What are your goals?

My shell wasn't designed for awd. So I have to fab a rear sub-frame

More traction, less mpg.

The eventual goal is a top speed run on the bonnieville salt flats. There's going to be an insane amount of hp behind it. There will be no nitrous but massive amounts of power

cola help me do a awd swap to my car!!

Why didn't you just combine this with your last retarded thread?

And seriously, AWD would probably be a complete waste for a salt flats run.

Oh, and google your question word for word, you'll get about 136,000 results. Have fun.

tommywsmith said:

My shell wasn't designed for awd. So I have to fab a rear sub-frame

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Are you talking about a 2g or a 1g.


Is this going to be your DD?.

Give us some more information.

If you are doing massive power.

Why don't you do a rear Conversion.

I would say, is more cheaper on the long run.

Saves many trannys, and you can put as much power as your can.

The retarded thread was removed.

The car for the most part will be a daily driver. Its a dodge neon so doesn't matter generation

I dont understand why you would be going to AWD for a salt flats run? Salt flats are for top speed, which the fwd would be better suited. Stay with the FWD, less drivetrain loss which will equal more power and you dont need the AWD launch on the salt flats.

Eric

mistagst said:

cola help me do a awd swap to my car!!

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pm'd you


as for the thread..if you want top speed AWD is unnecessary...sorry assumed you were talking about a 2g

Awd is desired because of the excessive wheel spin im getting. I spin tires all the way through third gear.

The cars so light if I did a rwd conversion I would get oversteer in turns.

Sorry to break it to you bud, but you just won't swap that 420a to awd with dsm parts. The 2g Non-turbo uses a 420a. The engine configuration is reversed. The Transaxle sits on the driver's side of the 420a. In the 4g63 cars it sits on the passenger side. Another issue would be bellhousings, the don't line up, and aren't removable.

Honestly, if you want to do a drivetrain swap, you'd be better off using an Evo engine. That engine is configured like yours. I am not familar with the STR4 engine bay, and I am pretty sure that it would involve a massive amount of fabrication. Probably the reason that an SRT4 swap never became popular in dsms.

Your best bet would to be looking into Mopar vehicles to source parts from. You might be better off going RWD. Honestly, I don't think this is the forum for you, most DSM owners shun the 420a powerplant, and beyond that not many of us will have specific knowledge about your vehicle, or other vehicles to source parts from.

I considered the evo but after talking to a couple people found that the drive train isn't as reliable. I've seen and heard more tsi's that can handle an awd launch.

With 2000 HP, ANY short, skinny econobox tire will spin. You need a purpose built car to put big power to the ground, and an AWD drivetrain is not the answer for salt flat runs. Any 2000+ HP car that I've ever seen is 2WD/RWD and there's a good reason for that. they run a very tall and very wide tire, the correct differential, and a tuned suspension. If you want an AWD drivetrain to hold up to the power than you want to make, then buy some other rearend, driveshaft, transfer case, and transmission that is actually made to handle that power. There's a reason why a 2000 HP DSM with factory drivetrain doesn't exist.

This thread is dangerously close to being closed for being vague and asinine.

Would anyone be willing to get me some measurements so I know what kind of work i'll be dealing with. (So I know how much pain killers to go buy when I start this. I would need the full drive train measurments and mounting from the trans bell housing back.

SRT-4 AWD Conversion? - DodgeForum.com

read post #21 on that thread.

tommywsmith said:

Would anyone be willing to get me some measurements so I know what kind of work i'll be dealing with. (So I know how much pain killers to go buy when I start this. I would need the full drive train measurments and mounting from the trans bell housing back.

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If you're so sure about doing this, then just buy one of these cars to measure yourself. You're going to need the parts anyway, right?

You still smell of troll, btw. Give me one reason not to lock this thread as well.

Ill get your measurements. Im doing a clutch around thanksgiving and Ill get bolt patterns and bell housing shape. Ill 3D model it too, cant be harder then the stupid T25.



I only have one request... Take pictures of your progress...

Because i'm wanting knowledge of the cars that you'll already own, that I havn't bought yet. Im not trying to cause any kind of argument of conflict.

The only way we have gotten to were we are today is thanks to the people that came up with impossible ideas.
Examples:
if we sail west of europe we should get to asia
A light bulb can't exist you've already fail hundreds of thousands of times
if a man was ment to fly we would have been made with wings
space is impossible you'll explode out there
Lets not forget our favorite hobby the internal cumbustion engine

Just cause I want insane hp doesn't mean it can't be made safely. After all hp is only rpm*trq/2525

Insane trq is dangerous.

Look up the Awd calibers. I am not going to search for you again since you didn't probably read the link i posted.

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Just cause I want insane hp doesn't mean it can't be made safely. After all hp is only rpm*trq/2525

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It's 5252.

You're not even asking for anything at all specific. You don't care about drive ratios, or specific weaknesses of anything - things that any serious builder would inquire about. What measurements do you want? Be specific! We've already told you that you're going in the wrong direction. Why would we care to waste any more time?

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Ill get your measurements. Im doing a clutch around thanksgiving and Ill get bolt patterns and bell housing shape. Ill 3D model it too, cant be harder then the stupid T25.

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I only have one request... Take pictures of your progress...

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Is that a SolidWorks model?

To the OP I read your other thread and your project does sound a bit out of reach for a lot of people. I'm not saying you don't have the means or funds to pull it off but what is your background that allows you to accomplish this so no one doubts your able to attempt this build if you don't mind me asking? I'm also curious what made you choose an AWD platform from a DSM other than what you stated above about "seeing and hearing" they can handle some power?

The exootic appeal of doing something no one has done. And yes alan I did read your link, and I read it about 5 months ago as well. Hav'nt looked into them. That and im assuming if it was any easier than a dodge/dsm hybrid it would have already been done.

On initial swap what would it matter ratios if the whole drive train was used tranny back. Yeah first gear might be smaller or taller meaning more abuse on the cluth if it was taller.

Now if I wanted to keep my dodge fwd and get a talon rear pumpkin the ratios would matter cause if there not the same then there's not even stress on the whole system. More likely than not there would be excessive wheel spin lsd would burn up or detonate a gear somewhere.

Aren't you answering everything you're asking?

You seem to be set on using the awd tsi platform right? So use it.

You want to know if it's reliable? If you're making big hp numbers everything breaks...no matter what you have or how much you paid for it.

Measurements of what? Engine bay clearances? You already know you have to custom fab everything, so wouldn't you assume that you'll be making pieces as you go? If everyone knew the measurements and exactly what you needed then there would probably be a "kit" made for the swap and you wouldn't have to do any custom fabbing right? And even if someone did supply you with measurements, would you really trust them, and waste more time/money when you come to find out they're wrong?

And i'm with everyone else on the fwd/rwd opinion. If you're going for top speed why do you need a car to get traction? If you're on the salt flats you'll have plenty of time to get up to whatever speed you're aiming for. I'm pretty sure awd will slow you down in top speed. And cornering? Wtf will you be doing turning hard enough to need awd at high speeds on salt flats?

And someone correct me if i'm wrong...but isn't the awd dsm slower in the 1/4 mile than the fwd dsm's? I think they're quicker in the 60ft and maybe even 1/8th but not 1/4. Now if it's slower in the 1/4 and you're going to have the pedal to the floor for 1 mile or longer how much slower would you expect the awd platform to be? High hp or not you'll get more mph out of a fwd.

But this all brings us back to the question of, WHAT EXACTLY ARE YOU LOOKING FOR???. Noone here can help you if you're not willing to put the effort in to help yourself. Just sayin man....