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Talondave: Batmowheel Hx40 goes 9s!!!

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The budget thing is whatever, my budget is to get the best stuff when I can, I have to save up to get the things I need for the car! I'm not really worried about people thinking if this is a budget or not..... I set my mind on getting the best results with a Hx40, and thats what I'm going to do.

I have no plans on ever running nitrous, just want to do it on boost and driving... Just need to learn how to get good smooth launches!

I paid less for my dogbox, then it would cost for a new shep stage3!!! After selling my QM twin, and my trans I only had about $1000 in the dogbox, sounds like a budget to me!

thats what people dont understand they have no clue what you actualy pay for things. i wait for an amazing deal to come before i buy things even if i wait a year. i want to beable to sell the part for more then i paid.
 
Budget = properly spending what little money you have to spend.

Most of Dave's parts with the exception of the brakes and the engine internals were either donated or bought secondhand at a very good price. The result is a self-built car with 9.3 capability in it's current form....a feat that many people in Dave's position just can't claim.
 
I just gotta ask.... What do you guys consider a budget? Buying ebay crap?

I may not have the cheapest parts on my car, but damn did I work hard to get them...
 
Im on a budget too, i found many great parts at a good deal in hopes of getting my stock 6 bolt block into the 10's with the auto.

I have to agree with jusmax141, make the best of what you can spend and keep your eyes open on those deals.
 
I just gotta ask.... What do you guys consider a budget? Buying ebay crap?

I may not have the cheapest parts on my car, but damn did I work hard to get them...
i don't know why everyones crying about it. budget or not, what talondave did was badass :hellyeah:.. and i think it was said before..the car is not on a budget but talondave was the one on a budget. theres a difference :thumb:.
 
Congratulations Dave!

This whole budget argument, or "observation" is really making people look bad... I think this is a SMART budget build. I do not see him blowing; turbos, transmissions, engines, and claiming to have "spares" sitting in his garage. They are going out there with quality parts, and knowledge that you cannot buy(AKA priceless), and they are consistently going faster than anybody with that turbo.

I mean, most of the people speaking about budgets could never run 9's WITH A CAR THAT THEY BUILT WITH THEIR OWN TWO HANDS, even if they won the lottery. There is more than "budget" at play here. There is such a thing as knowledge. Until now, we did not KNOW that an HX40 could run 9's. Dave, Justin, and Ricky knew, and they pushed for it.

MUCH RESPECT!!! GREAT WORK!!!
 
I'm here to do great things for the dsm community, and do things that were said that couldn't be done! No matter what it takes, I enjoy it!

I have requested to be taken off the featured member status, so we can move on and set more records no matter how much I spend on my car!!!
 
No disrespect here, but to be honest. Why wouldn't a 60mm compressor wheel'd turbo be capable of making 600+hp? Every turbo (almost) with a compressor wheel that large is doing it. The thing I see here is the hx40 following suit with already proven turbo's of it's size (GT35R, PTE 6262, S362, etc). Which means you can get "35r power for a 16g price". Which is what the hx40 delivers, as Dave has recently proven.
 
Hey whoa now, I do not deny that it is an amazing feat!, no matter how much you need to spend. Was just a little humor Haha.
EBay junk is eBay junk. Budget is second hand stuff, your own fab. Budget is project goodwill. Most have spent tons and tons more then you have and have not yielded results even close. Did you decide dogbox to cut ET? Or did the other trans just not handle the power?
 
I'm so tired of all the dumb arguments and I agree with 91-GSX. If you think a "budget build" is spending 2k and running 9's, congrats, you are a moron and should go to wal-mart, find a helmet that's your size and don't forget to buckle your chin-straps.

Fine, this isn't 9's on a budget (aka cheap parts). But to me it looks like for the most part he's only buying each part once which is a smart build IMHO. What's the saying, "do it right or do it twice"?
 
Did you decide dogbox to cut ET? Or did the other trans just not handle the power?

I chose it to cut e/t and be more reliable...The syncro trans needed rebuilt all the time, even with the twindisc, it was still screwing up synchros and breaking synchro springs, and the fact that they are ticking time bombs! I could have bought a brand new dogbox for what I have had in buying, and rebuilding my shep synchro trans over the years of owning it.

Hell, If for some reason I lost my car, and had to start over, the shep dogbox would be the first thing I would buy...
 
Dave congratulations on the ET and Speed. :thumb:

I have been following this post since it started and I have tried to avoid this bandwagon at all cost but the subject of "Budget" has came back.

Most people who are complaining are looking for someone who spent a few thousand bucks (their budget) and was able to run 9's. They also want to DD the car to work and school. They have no clue what was paid for said parts as stated above. In reality a budget to run 9's is a far cry from a budget for 12's. Readers must also understand that this has been a evolution over time. From year to year this member has added parts (second hand, new, or donated) to improve his combination. After years of building and adding parts, this is the outcome. Any gear head that builds a car for YEARS is bound to have thousands of dollars into their car.

A budget of just $300 bucks a month adds up to $3600 a year. Build the car for 3-4 years and that is $10800 to $14400. Most people viewing a 4 year build thread fail to account for this. Instant satisfaction is what people want but it does not always work that way. I am not stating that this is anyone's real budget, just using it to show how fast a budget can add up. I hope people will get over themselves and give you and your pit crew the credit you deserve. :pray:

Again congratulations on your achievements and sorry for the rant but I have been holding back for some time now.
 
I hadn't reilized there was a budget bandwagon and I have been to concerned with my own problems and hadn't had a chance to really follow this thread. I also hadn't reilized it was a very soft spot for some of you guys. When I saw budget I automatically assumed it was a challenge type deal like " Dave has 10,000.,can he runs 9's " but anyhow. The main thing I want is a dogbox. My finacial situation will not allow that for me. So I will just have to invest in a really nice floor jack instead. The bickering back and forth is only prolonged when people post rebuttles.

Sorry to have offended some of you.

Back on topic, what is your next step in cranking out more power? I see you said adding additional fuel Injectors, how much boost are you planning to run? And are you just totally against the use of nitrous? Or is it not permitted in a class you want to run ?
 
Back on topic, what is your next step in cranking out more power? I see you said adding additional fuel Injectors, how much boost are you planning to run? And are you just totally against the use of nitrous? Or is it not permitted in a class you want to run ?

The more fuel is a must, I'm running 98%+ IDC as of right now, so can't even try to go faster without more fuel... I plan on running as much boost as the turbo will produce, I would like to see what happens at 45lbs!

Nitrous; never really came to mind, this is the first that is has even been brought up... If its something to look into, then maybe I will consider it, once I have the fuel, and intercooler upgraded! Also once we feel that we can't go any faster without it...

Again, the safety equitment comes before all of that.
 
Yes of course, and 98% that's not wasting a damn drop of fuel huh ROFL the nitrous has its own fuel supply which is good and it also cools the air charge! That'll really get the turbo screaming!

My dumbass put a 10 point cage in my car before I even finished building the engine. I knew for sure I would run Low 9's.. needless to say that was 5 years ago and I am dissapointed in myself. I can barely drive the car down the damn street.

Just for curiousity what if your base fuel pressure?
 
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I just gotta ask.... What do you guys consider a budget? Buying ebay crap?

I may not have the cheapest parts on my car, but damn did I work hard to get them...

And congrats to you, sir. Did a hell of a job. :applause:

Budget = properly spending what little money you have to spend.

Most of Dave's parts with the exception of the brakes and the engine internals were either donated or bought secondhand at a very good price. The result is a self-built car with 9.3 capability in it's current form....a feat that many people in Dave's position just can't claim.

Best explanation here. :thumb:
 
Yes of course, and 98% that's not wasting a damn drop of fuel huh ROFL the nitrous has its own fuel supply which is good and it also cools the air charge! That'll really get the turbo screaming!

My dumbass put a 10 point cage in my car before I even finished building the engine. I knew for sure I would run Low 9's.. needless to say that was 5 years ago and I am dissapointed in myself. I can barely drive the car down the damn street.

Just for curiousity what if your base fuel pressure?

You'll get there, your young!

I'm running 43psi base pressure.
 
Are the injectors in your profile current. And what fuel are you using? Btw congratulations. 9.9s on street tires was my goal this year but unfortunately i broke the trans again. So im done for the year. Curious what the d-box cost you?
 
Are the injectors in your profile current. And what fuel are you using? Btw congratulations. 9.9s on street tires was my goal this year but unfortunately i broke the trans again. So im done for the year. Curious what the d-box cost you?
 
Ok cause i thought he switched to e-85 but i didnt see it in his profile.
 
Are the injectors in your profile current. And what fuel are you using? Btw congratulations. 9.9s on street tires was my goal this year but unfortunately i broke the trans again. So im done for the year. Curious what the d-box cost you?

Yes my profile is up to date, and running VP Q16.
I paid $3000 for the trans with a PTT twin disc included for the bigger Evo8 input shaft... After selling my trans for $1500, and my old QM twindisc for $650, I also sold a LSD insert that came with the dogbox for $75 so I have a woppin $775 in owning a shep dogbox!
 
Yes my profile is up to date, and running VP Q16.
I paid $3000 for the trans with a PTT twin disc included for the bigger Evo8 input shaft... After selling my trans for $1500, and my old QM twindisc for $650, I also sold a LSD insert that came with the dogbox for $75 so I have a woppin $775 in owning a shep dogbox!

Sounds budget minded to me! :thumb: That has to be the best deal of the dsm decade! Looking forward to seeing it lighter and probably making more power next year!
 
Dave, It doesn't need to be said again but I feel that I must. CONGRATS on 9's For only looking to break into the 9's I think you have definatley set the bar high for yourself for next year and for others to attempt to follow suit. You say you are looking for another sponsor for axles. At this point would it be smart to ditch the IRS and go to ford solid 8.8 like Project Superman has now done? It looks very simple and strong. I think this would completly eliminate any future axle problems. Good luck on the goals. I know i'll be counting down the days until spring for your next track outing. Please just one time next year slap on a hx35 just to play around. Keep up the amazing work. Your a hell of a driver and you have a hell of a supporting team.
 
Dave, It doesn't need to be said again but I feel that I must. CONGRATS on 9's For only looking to break into the 9's I think you have definatley set the bar high for yourself for next year and for others to attempt to follow suit. You say you are looking for another sponsor for axles. At this point would it be smart to ditch the IRS and go to ford solid 8.8 like Project Superman has now done? It looks very simple and strong. I think this would completly eliminate any future axle problems. Good luck on the goals. I know i'll be counting down the days until spring for your next track outing. Please just one time next year slap on a hx35 just to play around. Keep up the amazing work. Your a hell of a driver and you have a hell of a supporting team.

Thanks man...I'm not real sure I'm ready for the solid rear setup.... I was looking into that, and came to it costing around $4000- $5000 for a complete rear setup...Thats not something I'm ready to do right now!

We was going to try to take the car to the track this upcoming Saturday with a HX35 bolted on, but don't have a housing for one, or probably won't have the time to dial in the car with one, if we could get one bolted on! So you will definitely see an hx35 on the car in the spring!
 
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