dsm need to know!!!

Xxoakclifftxx · Mar 20, 2011

ok, first off i'm still pretty new to dsms. i've had mine for almost a year now,but i've never done any mods, i am just starting to mod it.i haven't done anything much so far. just a centerforce df clutch, a magna flow exhaust (temporary), and a set of 17in wheels, i just started three weeks ago when the clutch went out, now i am trying to figure out what i should know that is different about dsms,because i had a 1990 da integra before this, it has been sitting in the same spot since i got the dsm,i don't even drive it anymore,i know that it's best to recirculate with turbo, but i'm trying to find out other stuff so i won't see my convo pop up in the "something stupid that you've heard a dsmer say" forum. LOL

anybody who will provide info will be appreciated

LiquidX · Mar 20, 2011

Change your profile to your vehicle. Why is he Magnaflow only temporary? They make an amazi g exhaust and I'm using 2 Magnaflows on my setup.

Just start searching around, using proper grammar and spelling. View the upgrade path on the forum and follow that. Bt yes, the BOV needs to be recirculated unless you run a GM MAF in blow through or are using a speed density setup. If you don't know either then search for it.

U8NTRDY · Mar 20, 2011

Xxoakclifftxx said:
ok, first off i'm still pretty new to dsms. i've had mine for almost a year now,but i've never done any mods, i am just starting to mod it.i haven't done anything much so far. just a centerforce df clutch, a magna flow exhaust (temporary), and a set of 17in wheels, i just started three weeks ago when the clutch went out, now i am trying to figure out what i should know that is different about dsms,because i had a 1990 da integra before this, it has been sitting in the same spot since i got the dsm,i don't even drive it anymore,i know that it's best to recirculate with turbo, but i'm trying to find out other stuff so i won't see my convo pop up in the "something stupid that you've heard a dsmer say" forum. anybody who will provide info will be appreciated

What is your question? Seems like you're asking what you should do in general. If so, the first thing you should do is check out the VFAQ section here and also check out the uprade path. There's some pretty good information there that should get you pointed in the right direction, and anything more specific you need to know then ask.

scott90gsx420 · Mar 20, 2011

Dude i love my magnaflow exhuast. Its really deep and not raspy at all. And its out of the norm for dsm's it seems.
I thinks hes asking what mods he should start with. Get a new clutch(thats a given right?) then get bigger turbo, fuel pump, injectors, and tuning device like dsmlink, safc. As said venting your BOV to the atmosphere is a bad idea.

Xxoakclifftxx · Mar 21, 2011

well i was thinking of going with a borla exhaust,that'[s why i said temporary, i heard one and it had a nice sound. but, my question was basically what are a few things about dsms that every dsmer should know. like what common problems do they usually have, are there things about tuning these cars that are different from others...just basic need to know things. and i haven't taken any new pics of my car so that's why it's not up

krackit · Mar 21, 2011

um. from his profile he's got a 97 420a....is your car turbo'd?

Xxoakclifftxx · Mar 23, 2011

nah, it's not turbo yet. i have the turbos already, ust tryna get the engine ready for it. that's why i posted this to find out ahead of time if i have anything i have to really be aware of as a dsmer

idkiliketurbos · Mar 23, 2011

The turbos? As in your putting more than one on?

Ryan4dc · Mar 23, 2011

So what I understand is, you have a 97 non turbo eclipse and you are going to turbo that? Your profile doesn't specify if you have a spider so I'm going with the others thinking it's the 420a.

Xxoakclifftxx · Apr 1, 2011

yea, i have a 420a i plan to turbo, i have two turbos but i don't plan to put them both on, i have a 1990 da integra i was working on before i got my dsm, i scrapped the teg since i love my dsm, now i'm wondering what brands are better and most commonly used on dsms.and what problems to look for, i'm not tryna make the car a 10 second car or nothing, just give it a good boost, and give it a good deep exhaust tone

936DSMboy · Apr 2, 2011

well first of all if I were you I would build my knowledge on boosting the 420a instead of just trying to go at it not knowing what to do. Try finding other tuners on this website that have boosted their 420a and ask them questions about their build. Im currently boosting my 420a im just waiting for all the parts to come in.

What are your plans with this car? Do you plan on building the engine or just running it with boost on stock internals?

rlacasse1 · Apr 2, 2011

Xxoakclifftxx said:
yea, i have a 420a i plan to turbo, i have two turbos but i don't plan to put them both on, i have a 1990 da integra i was working on before i got my dsm, i scrapped the teg since i love my dsm, now i'm wondering what brands are better and most commonly used on dsms.and what problems to look for, i'm not tryna make the car a 10 second car or nothing, just give it a good boost, and give it a good deep exhaust tone

, not that they are always the best but when it comes to DSMers the most commonly used is typically the cheapest, because we are cheap penny pinching bastards.

gstballa 42 · Apr 3, 2011

rlacasse1 said:
, not that they are always the best but when it comes to DSMers the most commonly used is typically the cheapest, because we are cheap penny pinching bastards.

SOO SOO TRUE

but seriously, as mentioned before try and get in touch with someone who has turboed a 420a already and try and learn as much as you can about it. As far as brands and most commonly used parts on a dsm, follow the upgrade path to get an understanding of how and what too upgrade on your car first. The only thing that decides what brand to go with is how deep your pockets are and your personal preference.
Every question you could possibly have about our cars has more than likely been asked once before on this forum, all you have to do is make the search your friend. :thumb:

dsm03 · Apr 3, 2011

Mentioning your integra is irrelevant to the answers you are looking for than isn't it?

I'd suggest start reading through all the 420a threads and search all relevant information to answer your question about your build.

What turbo are you planning to use? You will then need to decide whether you will upgrade down the road or leave it, then figure out what you need to support that turbo.

Sounds like you need to come up with a plan of exactly what you want to do for your goals..

-dsm03

98mitsubishigst · May 13, 2011

Sell it, buy a 4g63.

Go with a small turbo if you do plan to turbo that junk.. Megasquirt i believe is what you should prob use to tune; correct me if i am wrong. Maybe upgrade to stock 450 injectors from 4g63 cars.

Good luck.

scott90gsx420 · May 13, 2011

98mitsubishigst said:
Sell it, buy a 4g63.

Go with a small turbo if you do plan to turbo that junk.. Megasquirt i believe is what you should prob use to tune; correct me if i am wrong. Maybe upgrade to stock 450 injectors from 4g63 cars.

Good luck.

Lol how is telling him to sell the motor helpful. I see youve got lots of posts so im going to guess you are aware that the 4g63 cant just be dropped in. I hope you mean sell the entire car.
To the OP id just have to say either build the internals as a safety precaution unless your going to keep the boost low. Ultimately the truth is you can run the boost on those internals but anything over 8psi is going to be pushing it unless your REALLY good at tuning. Its all in the tune that makes it work or not.
People push massive amounts of boost on Stock n/a 4g63 motors but they tune like a B*t*h to make it so its safe. IDK about the 420a but i know the 4g63 can take ALOT of abuse so its a bit easier to do. If you got any questions ask away but i think that should pretty well cover it. :hellyeah:

98mitsubishigst · May 13, 2011

scott90gsx420 said:
Lol how is telling him to sell the motor helpful. I see youve got lots of posts so im going to guess you are aware that the 4g63 cant just be dropped in. I hope you mean sell the entire car.
To the OP id just have to say either build the internals as a safety precaution unless your going to keep the boost low. Ultimately the truth is you can run the boost on those internals but anything over 8psi is going to be pushing it unless your REALLY good at tuning. Its all in the tune that makes it work or not.
People push massive amounts of boost on Stock n/a 4g63 motors but they tune like a B*t*h to make it so its safe. IDK about the 420a but i know the 4g63 can take ALOT of abuse so its a bit easier to do. If you got any questions ask away but i think that should pretty well cover it.

haha, i know you can't just drop a 4g63 into a 420a eclipse (rs,gs)

I thought it was implied when i said sell it buy a 4g63. hahaha..

And honestly; i'm not saying the 420a isn't capable of being turboed, but you have to dump alot of money into it to keep it reliable.. And if you do like ^^ above said, If your not extremely accurate with the tune, you'll waste your money turboing it..

Reliable - Fast - Cheap <--- Follow this rule when moding, (i believe it's these three :hmm:

) You can only pick two, you can't have the third.. If you want fast and cheap, your 420a will not be reliable by any means..

sobmurda · May 13, 2011

1st thing dsmr's should know is maintence!!! Check your belts timing and everything!!! Then after you get that straight you can start modifying!!! Ha

scott90gsx420 · May 13, 2011

Lol totally true man.. I would always rather wait and pay more then buy things twice... The people who turbo there 420a and make it last are people who know that there tune has to be perfect and are probably very aware of having to keep up on the maintenance.
I think thats why there is so few of them is a lot of new tuners don't know what there doing and want a motor that will take a beating while getting the whole tuning thing down.
HAha i figured you knew the motor wasn't just a drop in thing but i had to clarify so no newbies read the thread and start getting the idea in there head. Just argued with a guy couple days ago while filling up about it. He seen me and rolled over in his 97rs and asked what i had done. Told him some of my mods then he told me about his air intake/ exhuast and that he was swapping to a 4g63 soon. I told him its not just a drop in motor and he said ya it is.. Im sure you can guess where that went.
Haha i wonder if the OP did it and where it ended up. He seems to be MIA LOL

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98mitsubishigst · May 13, 2011

scott90gsx420 said:
Lol totally true man.. I would always rather wait and pay more then buy things twice... The people who turbo there 420a and make it last are people who know that there tune has to be perfect and are probably very aware of having to keep up on the maintenance.
I think thats why there is so few of them is a lot of new tuners don't know what there doing and want a motor that will take a beating while getting the whole tuning thing down.
HAha i figured you knew the motor wasn't just a drop in thing but i had to clarify so no newbies read the thread and start getting the idea in there head. Just argued with a guy couple days ago while filling up about it. He seen me and rolled over in his 97rs and asked what i had done. Told him some of my mods then he told me about his air intake/ exhuast and that he was swapping to a 4g63 soon. I told him its not just a drop in motor and he said ya it is.. Im sure you can guess where that went.
Haha i wonder if the OP did it and where it ended up. He seems to be MIA .

Lol, i got a few of those eclipse kids around here..
I tell them all the time just give it up. but they are determined..

I then tell them how the tranny and engine are on different sides in the 420a than the 4g63, and they say well; it still drops right in!

Then i say .. what about the axles.. Yup exactly hahahaha

O AND THE ECU! and they're like you don't need to change it! hahahah

scott90gsx420 · May 13, 2011

HAHAHAHHAHA thats funny man. I feel a real need to laugh in the face of people like this. I had a guy in a 2g gs-t try and tell me that his car was completly stock except the basics Exhaust intake and mbc.Hes like im running 13 psi and making 270 to the wheels. I literaly dropped my 24 pack of dew laughing at this guy. I was like dude your making maby 220 to the wheels and he tried to argue.
Then while im putting the groceries in the car he comes and does some ricer burnout and takes off.. I just laughed and continued my business. It makes me wanna hide when tools like this guy drive the same car as me.

BigNugg99 · May 15, 2011

if i were to try a engine swap i think i would rather try to put a friggin carbed small block in and make it a rwd than a friggin 4g63... could be the same amount of headaches and you dont see many v8 eclipses out there LOL

ok back on subject here... the 420a's have pretty weak rods and the pistons suck pretty bad too when it comes to adding boost. look at 8psi or less and do all your maintance and make sure your motor is in good condition first. do a compression test and look into a hp headgasket. now some good things about our 420a's... they are a very efficient head design (good to about 500hp boosted flow), the block is solid and the crank is pretty tuff also. its a chrysler engine found in alot of dodge models so stock parts are easy to come by. the pistons have a 3.445 bore and a short stroke which means with proper proper supporting mods and a quality tune you could rev the hell outa it or get a stroker kit and make good torque for low/mid performance. and our trans is closer ratios.

Bud92gsx · May 15, 2011

BigNugg99 said:
if i were to try a engine swap i think i would rather try to put a friggin carbed small block in and make it a rwd than a friggin 4g63... .

That's rules for getting banned right here..I think that just ruined this thread for me..And also made me vomit a bit..

russ96gst · May 15, 2011

@scott90gsx420..what did his car look like? I just moved from Nampa, lived there for 17 years (probably know every eclipse in the valley) thats funny shit! 270hp on a stock turbo TO THE WHEELS haha!

BigNugg99 · May 15, 2011

please dont confuse efficient head design with the entire head and drivetrain being up to tje task of 500hp. the flow charastics have been able to support 500hp with boost but tje valvetrain, cams, retainers etc were upgraded. other things to know... our doorhandles seem to break alot, windows rattle when they are about halfway down and you shut the door or hit a bump and i think its impossible to completely remove the pwr ant without breaking the ball off the top LOL

the first two have cures (do a search on here) but a sport antenna was my fix to the ant. issue. hope thats what you were after? OMG

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