Project Ebay

kspharris · Mar 28, 2011

Hey all! First I am sure this has been done but I am doing it again. Also for the haters out there, please please don't waste forum space by posting things like "your car will blow up" etc. With that said I am going to build a car using ONLY eBay parts.

I have a 91 eclipse 2.0l non turbo automatic: I am going to use as much ebay stuff as possible to test and see if it really is crap or not. I am swapping the car to turbo. I currently have purchased from ebay a complete gasket rebuild kit, timing belt, water pump, AFPR, 50 trim, t3/t4 tubular manifold, 35mm external wastegate. I am going to purchase a ebay 255lph fuel pump and a FMIC. The things I can make I will, like IC piping and exhaust etc.. The things that can not come from ebay I will have to purchase elsewhere, like injectors etc... I will take photos of the items and car and progress and post up as it goes along. I will be rebuilding the motor soon and putting in stock 1g turbo pistons and at the time converting it to a turbo. If anyone would like to see a ebay "item" installed and checked out just let me know and I'll see what I can do. Also MODS if this isn't in the correct section please move it. Thanks all and I'll get up some photos as soon as I can. :thumb:

phunny · May 7, 2011

Good thing you're flow testing that pump

kspharris · May 7, 2011

I know its tiny right!!!? My toes are bigger than that thing...well I have kinda freakishly long toes... LOL

low_n_slow95 · May 7, 2011

you should try this out and give some feed back

DSM cop setup coil on plug eclipse talon 4g63 turbo | eBay

kidtsi · May 7, 2011

2G-GS-T said:
I had a boosted 420A and it did pretty good on 5psi. But the only problem was that it wouldnt go and spool up sometimes. Really wasnt sure what had happened... But it wont blow up bro. Or what you can do is swap a Evo engine in it and see what happens from there . that hasnt been done yet

Evo swap hasn't been done yet? LOL

overdone already friend.

Colt90tsi · May 7, 2011

low_n_slow95 said:
you should try this out and give some feed back

DSM cop setup coil on plug eclipse talon 4g63 turbo | eBay

I dont think this is an actual Ebay part. I think it's just some guy custom making COP setups, looks like he uses Intrepid coils to, I would have no problem buying it for $140. If you see a COP setup under $50, then I would worry.

kspharris · May 7, 2011

Yeah I would like to run a cop setup but I was going to build my own using intrepid parts. It's super easy. I think there's even a how to on here.

dsmpat95 · May 7, 2011

Good luck on this build.

DSM_munky_man · May 7, 2011

Here is the cams I mentioned earlier, not sure if they are actual ebay, but seem cheaper than any of the vendors that have cams, nad never heard of these people.

DSM 4G63T PERFORMANCE CAMSHAFTS JDM 14B 16G FREE SHIP | eBay

RogueTalonTSI · May 7, 2011

One suggestion I have is to CAREFULLY inspect the head gasket. Look at the sealing rings for each cylinder and check for dents or waves.

Reason I know is I used an ebay gasket set and the sealing ring had an imperfection that caused the HG to fail after a few miles. I think it happened in shipping.

DSMxJB · May 8, 2011

What kind of turbo manifold is that? I'd like to see how the eBay ones hold up. I always read mixed reviews on them and it seems like the people that bash them the most have never personally owned one but know someone who has.

WickedBlk95GSX · May 8, 2011

kspharris said:
So here are the pics of most of the items I have purchased. I don't have a pic of my FMIC because I just forgot it. I will take photos of the build and progress as I go. I will also get a side by side of the stock turbo pump vs the eBay 255. All the parts look great and build quality looks good, the only thing I am concerned about is the fuel pump size which if all goes well I will be flow testing today. Thanks all and let me know if you are looking for a specific photo or details on something, Keith.

Oh and sorry about the fuel pump photo, the only thing I had close to show size was a DVD.

That turbo manifold is shit.I was running it on my GSX and the port for the ex wastegate cracked and fell off while driving. So keep an eye on the port for cracks if you decide to run it. The turbo isn't bad at all though I've been running it for over a year now at 18psi with no prob

kspharris · May 9, 2011

Ok everyone, I flow tested tested the fuel pump in this manor. So tell me if you see a problem with it. I used water for the tests so I didn't accidentally catch myself on fire or blow up. Now water is a little more dense than gasoline so it should actually flow more with fuel. I filled a picture with water and dropped the pump in with a long hose attached. I ran that hose into a measuring cup. I turned the pump on with a 12v battery that was in my truck, vehicle off. I ran the pump for 5 secs each time. Did this a total of 4 times. Each time it was right under 400ml so I used 380ml. I took 380ml * 12 and got 4560. I took 4560ml * 60 and got 273,600ml. That converts to 273.6lph so it appears to be flowing awesome. It wasn't a perfect test because I didn't have a more accurate measuring cup. Even if it's high I was using water and it should flow more than 273.6lph with fuel. Let me know what you think.

dsm-onster · May 10, 2011

That flow is at atmosperic pressure. What will it flow when you'll need it to maintain 43psi base plus 20-25psi more to compensate for boost in the manifold?

Here is how I suggest doing this. First off, water can rust metal. So you may have already compromised your pump. . . Install the pump in the tank. Fill the tank with your desired fuel. Install a boost leak tester Follow the pump test procedure; this will actually activate the pump without the motor running. Raise the manifold presure via the boost leak tester to several points so that you can get a trend on the fuel drop off. You will have to tee into the fuel rail feed line to shoot the fuel into your measuring container. . . And don't light any matches or smoke any cigarettes. . . . You don't need to use a boost leak tester if you have an adjustable fuel pressure regulator. However, if you're using an EBAY afpr, then I suggest a quality 3rd party fuel pressure gauge. I've run an ebay afpr and ran into all sorts of issues until I realized how off the gauge was that came in the ebay kit.

TurBoneRed · May 10, 2011

If you buy a ebay 50 trim blast performance can rebuild it with full garett internalls and rebalance it for $250+shipping, not bad for a hybrid garrett.

I believe they also fix casting imperfections on the turbo itself aswell.

BlaastPerformance.com / Turbo Kits

$350 for a reliable garrett 50 trim sounds like a great deal.

91stocker · May 10, 2011

Im surprised the mods allowed this thread. Its like a big :f-u:

to all our vendors...

dsmrollerz90 · May 10, 2011

Bad seed? Satisfaction garanteed? What all are you getting off of ebay???

jmorri15 · May 10, 2011

I would think the venders would love this thread, if their parts are really better then it will be clear when stuff starts breaking. The only thing they have to fear is that the ebay parts are shown to be better.

triggerx · May 10, 2011

IDK. I admire this project and I think its an excellent idea. However ordering something like a headgasket or timing belt may not be the smartest idea.
I mean all the other non-rubber parts i could totally understand.
but a lot of these rubber related products tend to sit in warehouses for awhile, and heat totally messes with them.

All im saying is that certain parts are worth forking over a lil more cash, and thats comin from someone who'll pick a penny off the ground

Chaosweaver · May 10, 2011

91stocker said:
Im surprised the mods allowed this thread. Its like a big to all our vendors...

I don't see how it would be insulting to the vendors, they OP is just trying to build an Ebay car (which hundreds of people have done before) and is just posting up parts and end results. Ebay sells cheap parts, our vendors sell quality items, they can't be compared. The OP is taking a risk with parts which aren't backed up by the people who sell them, if anything this is a good thread for the DSMtuners vendors, when stuff eventually starts to break down it will prove that their items are better than ebay junk.

Chaosweaver · May 10, 2011

91stocker said:
Well that would be true if he were buying chinabay junk, but hes not. Hes buying the same parts the vendors sell. But instead of supporting them and keep our aftermarket support alive, hes throwing it in their face, like "haha i found it cheaper here".

The same could be applied if you buy from the classifieds section though, instead of supporting our vendors you are buying from members at a cheaper price. To be honest, its not a big deal. One build thread or even 100 build threads using cheaper parts isn't going to piss off vendors to the point that they will shut down aftermarket support. Don't forget that DSMtuners isn't the only place they get business from, there's thousands of DSMers that don't partake in DSMtuners and still buy from the vendors sponsored on this website.

dsm-onster · May 10, 2011

91stocker said:
Well that would be true if he were buying chinabay junk, but hes not. Hes buying the same parts the vendors sell. But instead of supporting them and keep our aftermarket support alive, hes throwing it in their face, like "haha i found it cheaper here".

So you have a problem with them pricing something at a certain dollar and another company actually finding a way to price the part for less?

Or maybe the parts ARE NOT the same. . . but you said they are. . . Why?

If any vendor group initiates a change or comes up with a new part for the benefit of the community, then they get a patent; or deserve one. If the patent laws dont apply because china fakes come out, then the fakes are exposed here. Because a fake can't work better than the real thing, right? (If they do, then how special is the part). If they are just selling everyone elses innovation because they believe in it as much as the next person (retailers), then I expect they know how to run a business here enough to stay in it. If they don't, or if they can't, they can take the tough lesson we all have had to take. Life remains fair.

Those that truely have something uniquely worthwhile and/or have proper business skills should welcome this.

dsm-onster · May 10, 2011

It makes sense because I discussed him using non sponsored vendors. Vendors that sell the same part but, as below I will quote, offer a better price. I don't have a favorite vendor

. I just have a favorite website.

I didn't see exactly where he bought the exact part for less on ebay. And that does not matter. . . Again. . . I repeat: "So you have a problem with them pricing something at a certain dollar and another company actually finding a way to price the part for less?"

. . .This is capitalism. The buyer choosing what it will do without (service being the only difference in this case you feel this is) to get something else it would otherwise couldn't afford. Exercising a right to buy and talk about it is just what capitalism can't curb. And most would label ones who do various choice historically-subscribed adjectives.

dsm-onster · May 10, 2011

I think you are saying that the only way map and extreme and fp and etc can be undersold is because the parts were stolen. * You really believe that? What else could be the reason? Vendor over produced? yay, we benefit. Vendor over purchased? Vendors arn't selling it, you said other's who arn't supporting to community are. :idontknow:

Touche on the politics callout

*(aside: I mentioned those vendors because in order those are the last vendors I've used. great guys ).

Chaosweaver · May 10, 2011

91stocker said:
And yes i do, maybe their stolen parts, or a surplus they purchased to quickly unload, or however they are able to sell the parts far cheaper then the manufacturer themselves sell it for. Now instead of supporting a vendor, and getting a shop's guarantee they purchase the same thing for half price and support some guy in guatemala who ran across a truck load.

It may not make much difference but i would have rather seen the title and goal of this thread called "Project Classifieds".

Thats politics /reported. Haha jk, but it doesnt work how it should, too big to fail comes to mind. Also as i just stated, sometimes you've got to wonder how they're able to sell it so cheap.

I'd rather buy HKS cams as a set for $500-$600 than pay $350-$395 for each cam. If the guy is getting the same name-brand parts for cheaper than the vendors can offer, then good for him for getting a terrific find. You're looking too into this, I know people who have done builds that would have cost them several thousand dollars if they didn't find deals on car parts, so instead of spending $5000 they ended up spending $3000. I would rather get a part with the same or almost equal quality for less money any day, I got bills and a family to support LOL

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kspharris · May 11, 2011

91stocker said:
Well that would be true if he were buying chinabay junk, but hes not. Hes buying the same parts the vendors sell. But instead of supporting them and keep our aftermarket support alive, hes throwing it in their face, like "haha i found it cheaper here".

No I'm not buying the same stuff the vendors sale. I am buying china stuff just to see how the quality stacks up in the end. Do you think this is my only dsm? I've "supported" the vendors plenty. There's not a single part I've purchased for this vehiclethT I can buy the same one at one of our vendors.

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