TD04HL Turbo

Zimm · May 6, 2011

I have a 2g with a TD04HL. Is this stock on this car? I want to upgrade to a bigger turbo. Recommended? I saw a 20G but I'm not finding the sizing and don't know what to look for to size up the turbos and compare them. I'm new to the turbo scene. Are all psi on turbo's adjustable? When I bought this car it had a few things done to it but it's hard to say what cause I picked it up from a dealer.

JusMX141 · May 6, 2011

TD04's were stock on automatic 1G cars. It's weak- roughly the size of a T25 with better reliability.

The good news is your setup is geared toward any of the TD05H upgrades, including the FP 68HTA.

Zimm · May 6, 2011

Thanks I appreciate the help

BigNugg99 · May 6, 2011

i have been looking at the compressor maps on stock turbos (including that one) and if you just wanted a bump in performance you could look into a electronic boost controller that will keep the pressure valve from opening as soon and get a few more psi oit of that turbo... it should be good for 360 cfm+. if u want more than justa slight difference then go to a different turbo. just giving u another option.

Bud92gsx · May 6, 2011

The tdo4 is even more insta spool than the t25...You will notice a hell of a diference in lag if you go with a td0620g..

SquidwardGST · May 6, 2011

I've heard nothing but good reviews about this turbo, and if I wasn't selling my car, and my wife would let me, I'd get it for my car.

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T-mun · May 6, 2011

Stock for the DSM auto would be the TD04L, TD04HL is stock turbo for JDM mitsu RVR. It has slightly larger turbine wheel than TD04L.

Bud92gsx · May 6, 2011

T-mun said:
Stock for the DSM auto would be the TD04L, TD04HL is stock turbo for JDM mitsu RVR. It has slightly larger turbine wheel than TD04L.

Ohh really, that's nice to know..Does it have the same 5cm turbine housing?

RogueTalonTSI · May 6, 2011

New to the turbo DSM scene huh? First off... welcome... your in for a hell of a ride.

First I admire your eagerness to jump right in but first, there are a few things you need to do first.

1: How many miles are on the car and when was the last timing belt change?
2: EXACTLY what mods does the car have? If you don't know what its called, post a picture and ask. Attempt to contact former owners.
3: Perform all routine maintenance. Replace all fluids and consumables.

Great, now that your car is in tip top shape and you know what has been done to it already your ready to start adding on.

There are many upgrade paths and you should start reading ALL of them now. Google will be your friend.

As much fun as a turbocharged DSM can be, it can also be hell. you can't just bolt on a bigger turbo and have at it. Your fuel system has to beable to supply the neccesary addional fuel. Now that you have chanced the fuel system your factory ECU isn't going to be able to correctly control the engine now and so on and so on and so on. But... There is hope still.

Start with supporting mods first, exhaust, intercooler, fuel pump and regulator. Those are all simple things that won't upset the ECU's fine balance between fun to drive and bi*** to start.

In the mean time you need to be reading EVERYTHING on this forum.

BadMotiv · May 6, 2011

RogueTalonTSI said:
New to the turbo DSM scene huh? First off... welcome... your in for a hell of a ride.

First I admire your eagerness to jump right in but first, there are a few things you need to do first.

1: How many miles are on the car and when was the last timing belt change?
2: EXACTLY what mods does the car have? If you don't know what its called, post a picture and ask. Attempt to contact former owners.
3: Perform all routine maintenance. Replace all fluids and consumables.

Great, now that your car is in tip top shape and you know what has been done to it already your ready to start adding on.

There are many upgrade paths and you should start reading ALL of them now. Google will be your friend.

As much fun as a turbocharged DSM can be, it can also be hell. you can't just bolt on a bigger turbo and have at it. Your fuel system has to beable to supply the neccesary addional fuel. Now that you have chanced the fuel system your factory ECU isn't going to be able to correctly control the engine now and so on and so on and so on. But... There is hope still.

Start with supporting mods first, exhaust, intercooler, fuel pump and regulator. Those are all simple things that won't upset the ECU's fine balance between fun to drive and bi*** to start.

In the mean time you need to be reading EVERYTHING on this forum.

So very true. There is so much you need to look at, and make sure is in full working order before you go and just throw a bigger turbo on your car. I mean you wouldn't go and hook up 1000w subs to your factory radio, so don't go installing a mostly drag strip type turbo on your car without the supporting mods and knowledge first

donniekak · May 6, 2011

T-mun said:
Stock for the DSM auto would be the TD04L, TD04HL is stock turbo for JDM mitsu RVR. It has slightly larger turbine wheel than TD04L.

There are also many td04 13g's, with td04hl on the compressor housing, but a td04 turbine. A common swap for 3000gt owners is to slide the dsm auto center housing into the td04 3000gt turbine housing, all 1g dsm auto turbos have a td04 turbine wheel that fits into the 3000gt housing, weather they are labeled td04hl, or not. The rvr did come with a td04hl 13t, which can be identified by the larger turbine, and different compressor design.

JusMX141 · May 7, 2011

T-mun said:
Stock for the DSM auto would be the TD04L, TD04HL is stock turbo for JDM mitsu RVR. It has slightly larger turbine wheel than TD04L.

I have two TD04 13G's from 1G autos and one other 13G turbo here that is marked TD04HL on the compressor cover...all of them fit into the stock 5cm DSM housing, so I'm unsure about that turbine wheel claim....just like Donnie has stated above.

crusada · May 7, 2011

I will agree that 13g turbo is a beast for a small turbo I had one on my 95gst spool time was instant and it ate 14lbs all day long and loved it. That was my biggest thing was with it is that it spooled almost instantly.

T-mun · May 7, 2011

hmmm, i've seen a couple of stock 1g auto (not much of them here) and it has TD04L in them. Have seen quite a few TD04HL from RVR & volvo (different turbine housing). 1 thing for sure the TD04HL does not share its rebuilt kit with the TD04L, its different size. I'm quite sure it is something like the TD06 & TD06H. Btw, all of the TD04HL from RVR i've seen comes with 13G wheel.

BigNugg99 · May 7, 2011

There is a td04hl on a 1st gen auto at my local pick a part that has zero shaft play and was considering it for my completely stock 420a in my 99 eclipse. those that know of this turbo, what do you think about that turbo for a 420a? i have seen a compressor map for it and done the math and it appears that it would be a good fit for my 8-10psi goal for now but i dont know about the larger compressor in comparrison to a regular 13g/td04l. what do all you gurus think?

crusada · May 7, 2011

Either way i think it would work great honestly. They spool almost instantly.

BigNugg99 · May 7, 2011

ok good. i just didnt know if the larger hot side housing would prevent it from spooling as quick in comparission to a more convental hotside housing in relation to a simular sized compressor.

2gtalonjem · May 7, 2011

so I have the stock t-25 turbo on my 2g, (not running right now, still up grading the internals) so the t-25 is equivalent to the TDO4l that is in the 1st gen auto's. If that is true, that sucks! Someone shine some light on this and right now my funds are not allowing me to pick up a MHI big 16G, would I see much difference if I went with a 14B?

BigNugg99 · May 8, 2011

I have been researching and reading all i can about stock turbos on various cars to do a junkyard build for my n/a 420a and from what i understand the td04hl is a more reliable unit that flows a little better than the t25 and the wastegate/bov is also a better unit with less boost loss due to the flapper opening before the psi is met (it will allow the boost to built up without venting too soon.. allows for quicker spool) and there is a mod called "crushing" that you can look up on this site that some do to allow more pressure to build. now it wont be a jump like to a 16g but i would guess with research and hard work you should get enough gain for it to be noticable for very little money. if funds are scarce and you can pick one up cheap it would be worth checking out i would think. maybe a wiseman will see this and shed some light and we can both learn more.'

JusMX141 · May 8, 2011

T-mun said:
1 thing for sure the TD04HL does not share its rebuilt kit with the TD04L, its different size. I'm quite sure it is something like the TD06 & TD06H.

TD05H, TD06, and TD06H turbos all use the same parts kit.

The TD04HL turbo I have definitely has the 5cm housing and 13G compressor wheel.

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