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joat09
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Liquidx, you realize this thread says INTERCOOLERLESS right?
LiQUiDx says
"Using methanol is pointless as E85 has a high detonation threshold and the methanol won't do much of anything".
My canceling out point made from your statement above.
joat09 says
"Running e85 and meth for a dd wouldn't have any gains".
Both of the above are from lack of experience and use of both products or familiarity with those in the Racing World. Good luck with Water. Tell us how much psi you can run Max and how much injector pulsewidth goes up.
Liquidx, you're exactly the guy that's scary to me, you use books as racing facts and end all but without real world accounts to back them up. The Grand National crowd pioneered mass use of Injection Systems, go over there and see how many run water and their vendors sell Water Injection kits = NONE. There are hundreds of GN examples and some have Logging data to prove water is for drinking and feeding your plants. Wanna run just a little water, fine, wanna run as much psi as possible and gain a fueling effect, Meth.
So in theory, Water does take out more heat so it's better. Ok real world that....
Run 30gph of Water and tell me in theory what will happen to your engine?
Books say it will take out so much heat that your MAT temps will be blah blah.
Now tell what REALLY happens when you run 30gph of water through your DO 225psi pump? DEAD ASS BOG!!! How much you cooling now, how much power you making now?
Run 30gph of Methanol and tell me what will happen?
Books say it has less heat extraction, it won't take out as much because it needs a surface to cool vs water. Holy SH**, that's bench racing at it's finest.
Lesson today, it's hard to cool and perform better when you're engine is bogging, so because you can keep injecting Methanol vs Water, METHANOL will always win out. For those of us who want to actually make max power, add fueling and run with lower MAT temps, we'll keep injecting mass amounts of Methanol.
But Methanol is just pointless with E85 and no intercooler.
BTW, over 30gh of Methanol here, running cold and ACTUALLY RUNNING. Like I said, I'm actually doing with the OP is asking.
I'm saying using e85 and meth for the reason wont have any gains over eachother. So choose one or the other. I know they both will react differently but e85 is not part of the topic.
Why would I need 30gph of water to do the same as the stock smic? I'm not looking to go all the way with this right now. Where do you inject this 30gph of meth, and do you use it as your dd?
The water being injected will be vaporized, and in the combustion chamber it's over 800*F. The stock intake runner is not made for liquids. The meth will cause uneven temperature in the cylinders.
I'm thinking now I want to spray meth pre-turbo and spray water post between the bov and tb.