You need the 1g one. http://www.dsmtuners.com/forums/articles-engine-fuel/99455-1g-gm-maft-install.html This should help ask, more if you need too.

1) After the BOV, yes that's what you would buy
2) you need the 1G
3) You might be able to reuse your intake if you can remove the stock MAF and mount the filter directly on the pipe.

nice thanks man!

ohh okay so, alot more that i expected. gonna have to get a logger and an egt before anything. new upper intercooler piping would be a good idea... am i right?
oh ya, and will i NEED 650cc injectors?

so are the 650cc injectors needed for this? for sure?

DROPthatCLUTCH said:

so are the 650cc injectors needed for this? for sure?

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That's going to depend on how much air you're flowing.

You have no mod list available so there's no way to know what injector you'll need.

Do you have a tuning solution? Why an EGT? You'd be much better off with a wideband. ECMlink is best, but a SAFC wil work with 660cc or smaller injectors if your budget is really tight. ECMlink V3 offers the GM Maf cable which doesn't require the translator, so that helps with the expense if you go that route.

^^Pretty much covered it.

Now, can we ask why you'd consider doing this with no mods?

i didnt expect it to be like this. i thought it was more like, gm mas + mast = done (please dont flame)
but ya. sorry for the stupid thread, im new too the turbo dsm and im still trying to wrap my head around things.
im trying to figure out where to start with my car, and this is obviously not the first thing to do.
at least i learned more about this for the future though

i do have some mods, but nothing crazy.
boost controller
boost gauge
apexi turbo timer with a/f and o2 display
hacked aircan
chopped the cat

A wideband? The timer wont help, a logger, dsmlink some thing to see whats going on.

is dsmlink just a type of logger?

ECMTuning, Inc. look here.

so i just need to download this to my laptop and convert to eprom ecu?

did you read the site yet? buy software get eprom install begin learning.

ya im reading thanks

DROPthatCLUTCH said:

is dsmlink just a type of logger?

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ECMlink is the best investment/mod available for these cars.

It allows you most of the features of a standalone engine controller, except everything is run off the stock ecu at a fraction of the cost.

If you plan on doing some decent modding/tuning I would recommend skipping the MAF-T and going with Link V3 and a loggable wideband, like an LC1 or an AEM.

Innovative dsmlink friendly skip link get full version and get the cable.

iugrad92turbo said:

Innovative dsmlink friendly skip link get full version and get the cable.

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I think you meant to say skip the MAF-T?

BigBeans said:

I think you meant to say skip the MAF-T?

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^^ this.

I have nothing else to add really except my experience with the factory MAF, a 3.5" GM MAF, a 3" GM MAF, the MAFT box, honeycombs/no honeycombs, DSMlinkv2 and an impending speed-density/v3 upgrade. I'm just a random guy that's somewhat cynical and enjoy punishing myself & have been doing it for a long time, so hear me out.

Those things don't plug & play nice and they become an expensive solution in the long run. When you've got it set right, they're flippin' phenomenal in comparison to the factory MAF... but it's a long road to get good results with it, and you can't adjust your airflow tables without some other form of engine management system beyond what cold un-feeling knobs the MAFT offers. You can make fuel adjustments with it if you have a wideband, but it still doesn't offer any feedback or logging abilities.

The MAFT box becomes a waste of money once you buy ECMlink to calibrate your MAF because it sits there zero'd out flat to factory 450cc injector settings for all of eternity. You use ECMlink for injector compensation, fuel, airflow, timing adjustments, etc... So the MAFT box merely works as an adapter at this point. It's equivalent to paying $200 for a MAF cable that you still have to wire in yourself? If you buy an AEM 3.5bar MAP sensor, then you can very easily calibrate any sensor within an hour or two... but without it, good luck.

Here's where it gets good. The only other sensor you need (once you have a 3.5+bar MAP sensor to tune your MAF) is an intake air temperature sensor that costs less than $50 (or comes as part of an inexpensive ECMtuning speed density kit that includes a 4bar MAP sensor), and with Speed Density, you need no MAF at all. You need no MAFT UICP pipes, couplers, clamps, MAF sensor, MAFT box, etc. How much money and work does that save you?

That's why it's an expensive long-term solution. Ish adds up. I want to run methanol injection to clear 420awhp with 550cc injectors and a Big16g, but guess what?

GM MAF sensors can't handle water/methanol injection when configured for blow-thru operation. They go dead when they get wet. So now my GM MAF is actually holding me back because I have the AEM kit sitting here ready to install. I just need to buy an IAT sensor and replace this sweet $350 custom short-route polished aluminum UICP with another new $350 custom short-route polished aluminum UICP. People these days are lucky to skip the expense of taking the route I had to take. Speed-density is a little more complicated to fine-tune for the novice, but it's the least-expensive and best overall long-term solution.




...& no I'm not selling anything, I have a AWD Colt project getting hand-me-downs.

Jafro said:

GM MAF sensors can't handle water/methanol injection when configured for blow-thru operation. They go dead when they get wet. So now my GM MAF is actually holding me back because I have the AEM kit sitting here ready to install. I just need to buy an IAT sensor and replace this sweet $350 custom short-route polished aluminum UICP with another new $350 custom short-route polished aluminum UICP. People these days are lucky to skip the expense of taking the route I had to take. Speed-density is a little more complicated to fine-tune for the novice, but it's the least-expensive and best overall long-term solution.

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I'm in the exact same situation right now, getting meth on the MAF and then it runs like crap for 10 minutes.

I've heard nothing but good things about SD. I really need to just bite the bullet and start doing research on speed density. The conversion is relatively cheap i just need to go from V2 to V3.

you jafromobile? i just subscribed to you on youtube, videos help alot man. now that ive done some reading, im gonna order the ecmlink v3 package before anything

The true usefulness of the translator is the ability to run the gm maf. It can measure around 70 lbs/min of airflow, whereas a stock 1g can measure about 28 lbs/min, before dropping counts. However, as good of a mod the maft used to be, the new version of ecmlink makes it totally unneeded. And if you really need the high flow capabilities of a gm maf, you usually either have dsm link, or an aem speed density setup.

If you buy one now, and have plans of modding the car more, you will probably end up selling it anyway.

Sounds like a great idea. Getting mine tomorrow.

DROPthatCLUTCH said:

you jafromobile? i just subscribed to you on youtube, videos help alot man. now that ive done some reading, im gonna order the ecmlink v3 package before anything

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Yeah I guess now you know which videos are coming up...