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ave22

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Aug 31, 2010
muscatine, Iowa
I bought a 1998 gas shell. I have around $6,000 to build it up. The car is set up for a manual transmission. So in the money I have to leave room for a transmission. I have a 4g63t motor but it has a spun bearing. I would like to see 400hp or better. Thought about building a 2.3 let me know what would be best. Thanks
 
Im not bashing anyone, im just saying, i feel like everytime SpawnedX clues into a thread (ive read 2 in the last 2 days) It turns into a huge arguement.
I wont reply anymore becuase I dont want to get in trouble by Spawned.
 
Im not bashing anyone, im just saying, i feel like everytime SpawnedX clues into a thread (ive read 2 in the last 2 days) It turns into a huge arguement.
I wont reply anymore becuase I dont want to get in trouble by Spawned.


There's no real argument going on in this thread, just an exchange of information that will hopefully expand the knowledge of all people involved. If you think this is an argument wait until he goes off on someone, its possibly the funniest thing you'll read on tuners.
 
There's no real argument going on in this thread, just an exchange of information that will hopefully expand the knowledge of all people involved. If you think this is an argument wait until he goes off on someone, its possibly the funniest thing you'll read on tuners.

ROFL I can only imagine.
 
If you're on the budget and you really want 400whp, do a stock block, it'll handle it fine.

6bolt rods, 2g pistons.
For your head, run some Delta reginds of some HKS 272s or something, or FP2x's.
Just run some standard BC Springs/Retainers
For a turbo, just try to find an HX35/HX40 cheap.
I'd also recommend the Borg Warner 50trim, very good turbo for $600
Stock 2g Exhaust Manifold, port it a bit. Look for a Punishment Racing o2 housing with external gate flange. Find a used 38mm Tial gate if you can, hell most ebay $100 wastegates work well.
1g Bov
VRSF FMIC
Twin Disc Clutch
Stock trans - It will handle it fine mated with a good clutch and good driver. People who go through the stock trans under 500whp nonstop aren't driving it right. Slamming gears is not the way it works. A good clutch is the secret though with our cars I've found out. a Twin Disc with the stock trans will work great until you can afford to get a built trans.
Injector - run either 700cc+ for 93/race gas or 1k+ for E85. I'm on e85 and am touching the 500whp mark with room to spare with FIC 1150s
Run a Walbro 255, I run two of them but you'd be fine with 1. Hell I'd still be fine with 1.
Aeromotive FPR - its the only one I'll stand behind, they work great.
DSMLink v3 - honestly I love link, however there are other cheap options out there too. Link is well worth the money though.
2g MAF
You should be fine with a stock Intake Manifold too.
You can always be like my car, and take the stock intake manifold and cut off the stock plenum, just weld a larger round plenum onto the stock runners and boom you have a much better than stock intake manifold. It's an old school method and it works great.

There are obviously other necessities too like: Wideband/Boost Gauge/ECU Socketing/ Vacuum Lines / Fittings / Headgasket (run MLS) / ARP's, etc. Im sure i missed some but hopefully I helped you with a few things.
 
Im not bashing anyone, im just saying, i feel like everytime SpawnedX clues into a thread (ive read 2 in the last 2 days) It turns into a huge arguement.
I wont reply anymore becuase I dont want to get in trouble by Spawned.

Sorry that I don't tolerate misinformation. Considering I haven't been able to post anything from the the 7th to the 14th and it's only the 16th, that makes it pretty difficult for you to have read 2 posts in the last 2 days from me that turn into an argument. In the meantime, whether you like my delivery or not, at least my post puts some information on the board...where as yours put up none.

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OP, drop your money into a transmission build that can hold up to extended 400 WHP abuse better than your stock. As of right now your stock transmission is the liability, not your engine.

From there, ask yourself what you want from the car and decide on if you should stroke or not.
 
I am going to say this as nicely as possible. You have no clue what you are talking about. Let Brent Rau do Brent Rau.

Magnus (Brent Rau's Sponsor) sells a 2.3/2.4L long rod kit in which he says can handle 11,000 RPMs, how much RPM loss is that over stock?

For the final time, not everyone on this forum is too afraid or too unoriginal to do something different. Facts and not opinions only. What Brent Rau does and does not do is irrelevant, no one in this thread will ever be at his level and know all his secrets.

Where does your personal experience with 2.3's come from? Kind of an ironic post isnt it?
 
2.4 long block and fully built engine. 6000$ is alot to play with but it can be small amount to play with. And trans upgrades to do that will make it handle high rev shifting? 11,000 is dramatic though
 
I take my statement back. Go buy an evo 8 and rip lambos in the time attack.
 
Where does your personal experience with 2.3's come from? Kind of an ironic post isnt it?

What's ironic is that you didn't read the entire post...especially the one where I said I built a 2.4L for my GST. What's ironic is that you just walked into a side dish of foot in mouth in your lame attempts to call me out. Have a good day sir.

And here is my buddies 2.4 that I helped build...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WHkIiBNCgMA

Anything else you would like to say?
 
2.4 long block and fully built engine. 6000$ is alot to play with but it can be small amount to play with.

Yea. the op needs to take it slow. Get the car together and running. Maybe a factory rebuild to start with. You dont want to end up like alot of people with a pile of parts and no money to finish the build. After its up and running and the bugs and maintenance are taken car of, then sees whats left for go fast parts.

What's ironic is that you didn't read the entire post...especially the one where I said I built a 2.4L for my GST. What's ironic is that you just walked into a side dish of foot in mouth in your lame attempts to call me out. Have a good day sir.

Anything else you would like to say?

2.4 = 2.3??? I wouldnt consider those anywhere near similar. Not even the same blocks. So still no experience with the 2.3. That post is completely irrelevant.

With no first hand 2.3 xp your info is regurgitated shit you heard or read from somewhere just the same as the people you called out. So take a chill pill man, you dont know everything like you lead on. Most people are here to learn and bs when they're bored.
 
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Real Street Performance Engine Parts, Pistons Rods Cams Valvetrain and More (the have a good selection of internals for you 4g63)
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theres also a list of sites on this site too
 
Yea. the op needs to take it slow. Get the car together and running. Maybe a factory rebuild to start with. You dont want to end up like alot of people with a pile of parts and no money to finish the build. After its up and running and the bugs and maintenance are taken car of, then sees whats left for go fast parts.



2.4 = 2.3??? I wouldnt consider those anywhere near similar. Not even the same blocks. So still no experience with the 2.3. That post is completely irrelevant.

With no first hand 2.3 xp your info is regurgitated shit you heard or read from somewhere just the same as the people you called out. So take a chill pill man, you dont know everything like you lead on. Most people are here to learn and bs when they're bored.

You're an idiot.

All a 2.3L is is a 4G63 block with a 4G64 crank, it's still a stroker and science and physics of an engine didn't change because of .1 less displacement. I never said I know everything, but at least I don't have to dribble out retarded comments like the above to try to look smart.
 
but at least I don't have to dribble out retarded comments like the above to try to look smart.

Again a little ironic isnt it? You have 1200 posts of jumping down peoples throats, come on man...

I didnt realize slapping a different head on a 2.4 block was the same as stroking a 2.0 out to a 2.3. There is nothing similar about the two set ups. Saying you have 2.3 experience because you slapped a head on a 2.4 is ridicules. They are going to have completely separate characteristics since they are completely different motors. Yea they share the same crank but that is all.
 
It's not a fight, it's a slaughter. He seems to think that a 2.3L and 2.4L are so different that science had to alter itself to work.

2.3L = 4G63 Block & Stroker Pistons to make up for 6mm less of block height. The result is more displacement than the stock block would normally see.

2.4L = 4G64 Block. The result is more displacement, but this block came stock like that.

The rods used are the same, even from factory they use the same rods. A few freeze plugs in the deck and the 4G63 head bolts right up to a 4G64 block. You also need to install a knock sensor, but amazingly there is already a place on the 4G64 block for one. In fact if you have a 4G63 car, with a knock sensor and some freeze plugs it's basically a direct swap into the car with a few adjustments needed for the timing belt tensioner, usually shaving a few mm off the pin.
 
Again a little ironic isnt it? You have 1200 posts of jumping down peoples throats, come on man...

I didnt realize slapping a different head on a 2.4 block was the same as stroking a 2.0 out to a 2.3. There is nothing similar about the two set ups. Saying you have 2.3 experience because you slapped a head on a 2.4 is ridicules. They are going to have completely separate characteristics since they are completely different motors. Yea they share the same crank but that is all.

How dumb are you? YOU don't even know how to make a 2.3L.

They share the same crank, they share the same rods. They are the same damn thing, no matter how many ways your worthless mind tries to cut this, they are the same animal, from the same engine line, one just uses a larger crank and wider bore pistons. In fact other than the 6mm block difference, wider bore and a few extra journals, the block is identical.

The properties of a 2.3 and a 2.4 are the same, it's a stroker, period. Go jump off a cliff and save this poor newb from having to be confused by your idiocy.
 
I wouldn't consider a 2.4 a stroker, but thats an entirely different argument. In the end, they do the same thing, which is give you more displacement. One just lets you do it with your standard 4g63t block.
 
Spawned: Putting a 4G63 head on a 4G64 block is not a stroker.

True they have the same stroke. But a 4G64 also has a taller deck than the 4G63.

Doing that gives you nothing more than a bad @ss Turbo 4G64.

IT IS NOT A STROKER!



Not trying to further instigate this little war of posts, but that is just how it is.
 
I wouldn't consider a 2.4 a stroker, but thats an entirely different argument. In the end, they do the same thing, which is give you more displacement. One just lets you do it with your standard 4g63t block.

Thank you.

Calling it a stroker or not is moot, but in theory it's not a stroker since it comes stock as a 2.4L. However, since you can use a 4G63 crank with 6mm longer rods in a 4G64 to obtain a 2.1L build, it shows that the crank is responsible for .3 extra displacement, Mitsubishi did this by increasing the stroke on the 4G64 crank, so yes, it is still a stroker.
 
How dumb are you? YOU don't even know how to make a 2.3L.

They share the same crank, they share the same rods. They are the same damn thing, no matter how many ways your worthless mind tries to cut this, they are the same animal, from the same engine line, one just uses a larger crank and wider bore pistons. In fact other than the 6mm block difference, wider bore and a few extra journals, the block is identical.

The properties of a 2.3 and a 2.4 are the same, it's a stroker, period. Go jump off a cliff and save this poor newb from having to be confused by your idiocy.

There are many many many different length rods used in 2.4 builds plus the larger bore.

"In fact other than the 6mm block difference, wider bore and a few extra journals, the block is identical." That statement is pretty LOL

that's not a "true stroker"
2.0 block + 2.4 crank = 2.3 (stroker)
2.4 block + 2.4 crank = 2.4 (stock bore)


and again "Saying you have 2.3 experience because you slapped a head on a 2.4 is ridicules." This is my point.
 
There are many many many different length rods used in 2.4 builds plus the larger bore.

"In fact other than the 6mm block difference, wider bore and a few extra journals, the block is identical." That statement is pretty LOL

that's not a "true stroker"
2.0 block + 2.4 crank = 2.3 (stroker)
2.4 block + 2.4 crank = 2.4 (stock bore)

Keep trying.

Stock for stock they use the same rods, same part number even.

Mitsubishi got .3 of that extra .4 displacement from increasing stroke on the crank, guess what, that's a stroker, a manufacturer can stroke their own designs.

Keep deflecting, maybe no one will notice that you tried to claim that more displacement from a 4G64 reacts different from more displacement from a 63 with a 64 crank. Because in magicland, where you live, science and physics changes with the direction of the wind.

If you understand the science behind one "stroker" than you understand the science behind any "stroker." In fact, all I have seen you do is post your "arguments" after all the information was presented by myself and others in this forum. You haven't added one thing useful, mostly because you are clueless. You can go back to your sandbox now, and let people with knowledge talk.
 
How dumb are you? YOU don't even know how to make a 2.3L.

they are the same animal, from the same engine line, one just uses a larger crank and wider bore pistons.

So by your logic a 6.0l with the same stroke is comparable. because they use the rod length, but wait "one just uses a larger crank and wider bore pistons." :hmm:
 
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