I am finishing up my turbo/megasquirt 420a. I am hoping for high boost levels and have a motor that was "supposedly" all forged, crower cams, etc. It seemed legitimate because he had all of the boxes from the parts, and knew the exact specs. i asked the previous owner for pics of the motor build and he gave me the email address to the guy who owned it before him. I found the guy on facebook and had a nice conversation with him. I feel very uncomfortable now about continuing any farther with this motor until i know for sure it is forged.

Here is the facebook convo i had with the original owner:


JORDAN
Hello, i have a 97 eclipse gs that i traded a motorcycle for from owner JP Carter. I can no longer find a facebook page or anything of his with pictures of the car. Im just looking for a little more information about the car and i was given your e-mail address. Were you the previous owner before him? Any info would be great. Im building a high horsepower car out of it and i just would like to know a little more about the cars history. I was told it has forged pistons and rods and i need to know if this is true before i invest more time and money if the motor has the original cast parts

Previous owner


Jordan Steen February 6 at 1:15am
Are you the one who built the car? Do you have specs of the build? like what compression ratio the pistons were, cam size, etc. Anything i should be aware of? As of now i have a gt35r knockoff turbo, fmic, 1200cc inectors, runnin e-85, MS as standalone ecu, walbro 255lph pump, and pullin the trans soon for an lsd

Previous owner
Parts in the car when I sold it to him:
Eagle H beam rods
Wiseco 10.5:1 forged pistons
Crower cams - Stage 2, i think they were 240s
Brian Crower springs and retainers
PT Cruiser rockers and lifters
ARP bolts
Unorthodox light weight crank pulley
95 neon clutch conversion:
non-modular stage 2 Comp Clutch and light weight flywheel
Rebuilt transmission
Assembled by a local machine shop

What's in there now?? No idea, I sold it to him two summers ago and he blew it up 6 weeks later.

Get receipts from him if you want to know. I don't trust him as far as I can throw him, and I've known him for over 15 years.

Previous owner
The local machine shop did the build of the engine internals, I assembled it all in the car, there should be pics of it all going in on here.

Jordan Steen February 6 at 1:21am
he blew it up? he told me the ecu was bad!! He did seem somewhat shady. He promised receipts but i have yet to see any. ive had the car for a few months now. When i first got it it would start but idle rough, and not run when in gear. After the megasquirt it ran alot better, and through the gears. I have yet to fine tune and am still finishing the downpipe and stuff before i can drive and tune. Do you know for sure if he blew it up, or if any motor work was done by him? sorry for all of the questions but i just want to make sure im not setting myself up for disaster after i start cranking up the boost

Jordan Steen February 6 at 1:23am
also it had 150lbs of compression in all four cylinders, im really hoping the ecu was the cause of the problem and it was never blown up because once i removed the old ecu and went standalone with megasquirt it ran

previous owner
I know for a fact he blew it up, I saw it, he spun some low end bearings, I don't remember which ones, and he spun the cams, the motor has been completely apart since I had it built.

I know why too, I sold it to him with < 500 miles on the rebuild, I immediately started getting calls that he was driving it like an idiot.

Previous owner
150?? When I got it from the machine shop it was way higher, 170-190, but that was 2 years ago

Jordan Steen February 6 at 1:28am
ouch, im hoping its still forged internals. is there markings on the rods or pistons at all where i could see from underneath by pulling the oil pan to make sure its still forged internals?

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Here is a link to my build if you are interested:

http://www.dsmtuners.com/forums/hangout/390112-fast-420a-pics-progress-questions.html


What i would like to know is, is it possible to pull my oil pan and look at the rods/bottoms of piston and distinguish between stock and eagle rods and wiseco pistons??? also, are there marks on crower cams where i can distinguish them from factory cams?

Still sketchy man.. What rediculous amount of money did you pay for this "all forged" 420a?

Here is a pic i took while the oil pan was off to have the turbo return bung welded on. can anyone tell the difference between stock and forged?

GsXdSmKingGsX said:

Still sketchy man.. What rediculous amount of money did you pay for this "all forged" 420a?

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Actually i traded it for my beloved custom built 79 kawasaki streetfighter.... but he called later saying he owed 7000 in child support and needed to sell the bike. i low blowed him at 800 cash and he accepted. So i got the car and my bike back cheap. Im pretty sure hes in jail now or on his way.

Thats Forged bro. You can see H beam rods, and ARP fasteners on the rods. No worries, looks like your bottom end is what he says it is. The rods are for sure H beams, piston looks to be wiseco (from the one visible.) Also looks to have ARP main studs as well.

That looks like its probably ARP hardware on the rods and mains so that is encouraging.

Those definitely aren't OEM rods. As far as the pistons, Eeeeky is a better man then I am, cause I can't tell jack squat from that picture.

Only because ive been in that same spot with my motor tonight, and have been staring at the bottom of Wisecos for hours..haha.

On another note, is that a kz1000? Im huge into KZ's...Pm me with some details of that bike! Looks good!

If you took that picture, you're in good shape. If you didn't, drop the pan and see if they match up. The picture shows forged rods, ARP fasteners, and a crank that looks to have had some work done (I think?).

Good luck, hope you didn't get the shaft.

Edit: Derp. You did take the picture. Good news, you're in business!

Thank you everyone, that is very reassuring. i saw the h-beam design but i didnt know what the stock rods looked like, thanks again everyone.

And no that is based off of a 1979 kz650 frame. 2004 gsxr1000 rear swingarm/wheel/monoshock setup, 82 kz750 bottom end, 810cc wiseco pistons, ported 83 gpz head and cams, dyna 2000 ignition system.

I may also be a kz nut!!! just a little. im building a 79 kz1000 right now, green bike in pics. I bought it in pieces, braced the piss out of the frame, 8" over arm, r1 rim, welded crank, backcut trans, hd 2nd gear, lockup clutch, 1428cc 10.5:1 big block, still need a head, cams, and carbs.

Going to start on my dragbike chassis soon, had it on ebay but decided i loved it so i cranked up the reserve cause i cant see it go.

Just sold my 75 H1 project to purchase my daily driver (kz's biggest competition) 83 gs1100e.

I have owned multiple kz's, triples, and have a 75 cb750. I have fixed and sold alot of them, kept my favorites, and unfortunately parted alot of bikes out.

There is nothing better than walking all over than a punk on a crotch rocket with a heavy tank of an air-cooled 70's muscle bike. I think im the only 20 year old i know that loves the old kaws. I restored the teal/blue 1000 in the pics, and am working on my buddy's z1r right now

Sorry mods if this is off-topic, i got a little caught up when i got interested in the kz