well if you go with the 3 piece it will be 13 pounds lighter

But, that has nothing to do with what their asking... . I don't think anyone has reported problems running with-out one. I guess IMO if you want the piece of mind go 3 piece

you didnt help him either, so what was the point of saying what you said. Any information is better then none.

Actually I did, as I said I do not know of any reports of problems from people running them...

In the 2 years that I've been building them, I haven't heard of any issues with running without the north/south bars. There's 60-something of my single-bar crossmembers out there in use too.

My K member cracked from running without. Might be an isolated case.

bastarddsm said:

My K member cracked from running without. Might be an isolated case.

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Got a pic? I'd be curious to see where it cracked. It's not too often you hear about cracking subframes at all.

99gst_racer said:

In the 2 years that I've been building them, I haven't heard of any issues with running without the north/south bars. There's 60-something of my single-bar crossmembers out there in use too.

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I've had mine for about a year and had zero issues. Unless you were into autocross I wouldn't give it another thought

My buddy told me he pulled his 2 north/souths out and couldnt get the holes even close to match up after a month. He pulled a couple other things for weight saving, so it wasn't a good controlled variable test. It's just been on the back of my mind and was looking for any similar stories.

My Galant had been put through this abuse before I acquired it. When I re-installed the two braces I had difficulty making the requisite mounting holes align correctly.

My previous AWD swapped Colt did not have the front/rear braces but it did have a tubular lower support up front welded to the "frame rails" and a solid engine mount welded to the fire wall in a sport where the fire wall was 4 or 5 layers thick.