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architechnik

architechnik

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This thread is intended for questions about Jackal/Werewolf. Due to recent incidents with ds-map.net, we will be addressing concerns here for a period. I can answer or direct your questions to others who can.
 
You can add me to the list of willing helpers. While it has been some time since I have been very active on any forums, I was part of the original DS-Map work and have tuned extensively with it.
 
yes I just got the Ostrich 2.0 and I will need help soon thanks.
 
Is it possible for someone to host or share the jackal software? I recently reformatted my laptop and lost everything. I ran across this after looking to reinstall. Any help there would be appreciated, thanks.
 
91stocker said:
Is it possible for someone to host or share the jackal software? I recently reformatted my laptop and lost everything. I ran across this after looking to reinstall. Any help there would be appreciated, thanks.
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x2:hmm:
 
At the moment, I do not think it is in the best interest of anyone to have it hosted without the consent of all contributors. While the normal content of the site would be considered public domain, open distribution of the program may be stepping on too many toes. You could probably contact Hak directly and see if he will send it to you.
 
Count me in for help too. I'm no expert but I'll assist with what I can.
 
RayPeters said:
You can add me to the list of willing helpers. While it has been some time since I have been very active on any forums.
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+1 it's been a while since I've been around on either forum but we can't just let this program/development die. If I'm not mistaken the original tech article is still here in the tech section for now.

As far as the software I think we just need to use common sense. The forum was small enough to the point that most of the mods and regulars would recognize your name and could probably just be a quick email transaction. Then again if they don't it would be best to contact Hak directly since it is his baby. I haven't spoken to him myself, just my opinion.

I would like to thanks Chris and all the mods for having us here especially after all of the drama in the past. Hopefully we can all be adults and keep this thread on topic without any of the old BS arising.
 
I don't know what you guys have rescued, but I have printed some of the ds-map wiki pages so if you need I can scan and upload them for reference. I also have drivers, software, etc. Let me know if you need something.

Meanwhile - looking forward to firing my car up using Jackal next week :)
 
quick question ? is ds-map load based meaning 1-12 12 being the highest load of what map sensor you have or is it boost 1-12psi ?
 
I got the ostrich for my 1g. But I sold it and I got a 1998 gsx can I use the ostrich in my 2g
 
Load based is 1-12 load, 12 being the highest load. This is a calculation performed by the ecu utilizing grams/rev and comparing any spots where it is unsure with tps. This means at idle it reads vacuum and usually about 1.5-2.5 for the load.

The map sensor is scalable and several options are in the original setup. There is some debate on how the map sensor will influence the load, as some 2 bar sensor seem to have caused a load of 12 at relatively low g/rev.

Does this help? Is there anything that seems vague or should I explain anything more clearly?
 
architechnik said:
Load based is 1-12 load, 12 being the highest load. This is a calculation performed by the ecu utilizing grams/rev and comparing any spots where it is unsure with tps. This means at idle it reads vacuum and usually about 1.5-2.5 for the load.

The map sensor is scalable and several options are in the original setup. There is some debate on how the map sensor will influence the load, as some 2 bar sensor seem to have caused a load of 12 at relatively low g/rev.

Does this help? Is there anything that seems vague or should I explain anything more clearly?
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I thought it was load based,but in my thread ds-map is down? someone said that it was boost based and maxed out at 11psi then was static from there up. I was like WTF...... so does having say a 3 bar gm map make the 12 high load more so around 28-29psi or is it still maxed at 11-12 ? and does jackel incorporate the extended maps. Just trying to get corrected !
 
Load is supposed to be g/rev, as it is in the stock code. Think of it as airflow that isn't rpm dependent. It's just a number though, and the way the code is set up, changing your MAP sensor will change what load number you are at. Load is not pressure based, but it ends up roughly correlating to pressure anyway, does that make sense? If you log load and MAP, you'll see that as MAP goes up, so does load. VE factors into this too, but it doesn't change as much as MAP does. As an example, my car with a 2 bar MAP, load would be roughly 10x MAP in bar. So if my MAP was .5 bar, my load was 5. I was maxing out the load tables at around 1.2 bar, .2 bar boost. With the 3 bar MAP, I think it is maxed out somewhere around 10-15 psi, but don't quote me on that. Jackal does not have extended load maps.
 
Because load is g/rev, it it won't have to do with boost. 12psi at 3k rpm is a different g/rev than 12psi at 5k rpm. That's where there is so much confusion. Some people are able to get turbo characteristics that go beyond the stock g/rev settings, regardless of the rpm/boost where it occurs.
 
SpeedAddict62 said:
Load is supposed to be g/rev, as it is in the stock code. Think of it as airflow that isn't rpm dependent. It's just a number though, and the way the code is set up, changing your MAP sensor will change what load number you are at. Load is not pressure based, but it ends up roughly correlating to pressure anyway, does that make sense? If you log load and MAP, you'll see that as MAP goes up, so does load. VE factors into this too, but it doesn't change as much as MAP does. As an example, my car with a 2 bar MAP, load would be roughly 10x MAP in bar. So if my MAP was .5 bar, my load was 5. I was maxing out the load tables at around 1.2 bar, .2 bar boost. With the 3 bar MAP, I think it is maxed out somewhere around 10-15 psi, but don't quote me on that. Jackal does not have extended load maps.
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architechnik said:
Because load is g/rev, it it won't have to do with boost. 12psi at 3k rpm is a different g/rev than 12psi at 5k rpm. That's where there is so much confusion. Some people are able to get turbo characteristics that go beyond the stock g/rev settings, regardless of the rpm/boost where it occurs.
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so will the extended maps, give it more resolution or control through the load range. I am going to be maxing out my e316g looking for about 30psi and don't want to have any weird tuning issues when i start cranking the boost up. also does anyone know if i use the extended maps will it effect the code for the sd conversion ?
 
The extended maps will lower the resolution. Basically, it will change the g/rev values while not changing to total number of load cells. The result would be lower resolution in the lower g/rev values, while that might not matter if the interpolation works well and there are no peaks within those points.

Someone has done it apparently but has not posted the modified code. Likewise, that change will not be compatible with Jackal, so the code would have to be further edited in TunerPro or similar bin editor.
 
Software feature wise people are either going to have to work with Hak or give up on his logger and move forward with the original code. There are also examples of adding additional rows to various maps floating around.
 
Adding rows is what we're currently considering. Even putting a reference to another table when load is valued at 12 according to stock scaling.

Using the same system as is currently provided by Jackal may not be in the best interest for some users. Discussions have resumed about returning to some of the original code from the yahoo groups and implementing some of the ideas that have been developed since then. Integration with TunerProRT may be the best route at this point.
 
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