My car is different?

VictorC777 · Jan 16, 2011

Ok, Like stated in my previous posts, I own a 1992 Eclipse N/T with pop-up headlights. and considering my car is from Europe it makes sense till you see it. 90-94 had pop ups here in Europe but the 92-94 had a small slit in front of the pop ups. My car doesn't follow that rule either. My car has the 90-91 pop up style lights. nothing has been replaced, it's never been in an accident, so whats the deal? My VIN is 4mbmnd22ane006482, so it's a d22a model. Any chance this would be a 6 bolt? maybe you can tell by the picture? I don't have the car right now, so I can't check the oil pan right now.

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4g63jojo · Jan 16, 2011

VictorC777 said:
Ok, Like stated in my previous posts, I own a 1992 Eclipse N/T with pop-up headlights. and considering my car is from Europe it makes sense till you see it. 90-94 had pop ups here in Europe but the 92-94 had a small slit in front of the pop ups. My car doesn't follow that rule either. My car has the 90-91 pop up style lights. nothing has been replaced, it's never been in an accident, so whats the deal? My VIN is 4mbmnd22ane006482, so it's a d22a model. Any chance this would be a 6 bolt? maybe you can tell by the picture? I don't have the car right now, so I can't check the oil pan right noa

after reading that I am 100% lost to what your question is. I understand that you do ask if that is a 6-bolt? and the picture you posted is in fact a picture of a n/a 6bolt 4G63. Other than that though, I do not understand what you are askin.

VictorC777 · Jan 17, 2011

Im asking basically if any one knows why my car doesnt look like any other 92 eclipse. It doesnt even share the same style pop ups as the other european models. And also, how can you tell its a 6 bolt. I believe you but I want to know how to tell.

gusu · Jan 17, 2011

Maybe someone concerted it to the american 1ga front end?

JuGs · Jan 17, 2011

is it a early or late model 92? if its early 92 its most likly a 6 bolt, but id it late 92 its a 7 bolt.

brian9397gsx · Jan 17, 2011

Youve gotta check the oil pan to see if its a 6bolt, you cannot tell by that engine pic simply because 1g 6 and 7bolts look i dentical from the top. My guess would be you have an early 92 hence the diff headlight covers you can tell by the build date on the sticker by the drivers door striker.

richard33 · Jan 17, 2011

Looks like a 6 bolt intake manifold but I'm not sure if there are differences with the NA motors

VictorC777 · Jan 17, 2011

The title states that its a late 1992 model but everything about the car seems to be 90-91... I guess once I get it back I can check for sure. So 1g includes both 6 and 7 bolt engines but only uses the same 1g head for both applications? I'm wondering because I bought a 2g head and was wanting to know if I needed to buy a 2g intake manifold as well?

gusu said:
Maybe someone concerted it to the american 1ga front end?

I'm in Germany so I have no idea why a German would "concert" it to the American 1ga front end... The manufacturing code says it was built in the USA by Diamond, but it's a European spec car.

DSM1G90 · Jan 17, 2011

Does the VIN have an "NE" in front of the last 6 numerical digits, or something different? "NE" would designate it as a 1992.

19Eclipse90 · Jan 17, 2011

richard33 said:
Looks like a 6 bolt intake manifold but I'm not sure if there are differences with the NA motors

All 2.0L 1G cars used, for the most part, the same intake manifold. The small difference is that the manifolds were different between turbo and non-turbo models because of the additional nipples on the turbo models' manifolds. Suffice it to say that all non-turbo 2.0L 1G cars used the same intake manifold and all turbo 1G cars used the same intake manifold.

VictorC777 said:
The title states that its a late 1992 model but everything about the car seems to be 90-91... I guess once I get it back I can check for sure. So 1g includes both 6 and 7 bolt engines but only uses the same 1g head for both applications? I'm wondering because I bought a 2g head and was wanting to know if I needed to buy a 2g intake manifold as well?

The way Europe "labeled" there cars as a specific model year is different than here in the U.S.; but from that VIN, the car was made in the middle of the July, 1992. Further, ASA indicates that the original engine in that car is a 7-bolt. It is advisable to use the 2G intake manifold with a 2G head, but it is not required. The 1G intake manifold will bolt up to the 2G head, though performance will, if anything, suffer.

VictorC777 said:
I'm in Germany so I have no idea why a German would "concert" it to the American 1ga front end... The manufacturing code says it was built in the USA by Diamond, but it's a European spec car.

You are correct. All Eclipses, Talons, and Lasers were manufactured in the Normal, Illinois plant.

945liter · Jan 17, 2011

richard33 said:
Looks like a 6 bolt intake manifold but I'm not sure if there are differences with the NA motors

Daniel,

7bolt 1gs had the same looking intake manifold.

born2tune · Jan 17, 2011

everybody is wrong, what happened in this case and what still happens around USA is called a dealership option, a dealer can order different style vehicles for an extra build fee when its ordered new. no where else will you see a vehicle like this. some dealers ask for some wierd options that its not normal for the trim and so on. like in the 60's for example a dealer could of ask for a car that has ash trays and a/c with power steering and a 4 speed. when registered trims may have no such combination of options.

your car is special in a way, because of the dealer options you might have a 1 out of 20 or 30 like it at most. so to the right people your car may have a slightly higher value because of rarity but no extra value to regular consumers. hope this helped

VictorC777 · Jan 18, 2011

So I could still possibly have the 6 bolt due to dealer option? That would be sweet considering I would love to keep this car to one day build it up. I wanna reliably but cheaply (over time) get it up to 200hp N/T... Probably get close for about a $1000 buying used parts...

born2tune · Jan 18, 2011

VictorC777 said:
So I could still possibly have the 6 bolt due to dealer option? That would be sweet considering I would love to keep this car to one day build it up. I wanna reliably but cheaply (over time) get it up to 200hp N/T... Probably get close for about a $1000 buying used parts...

with the only provided picture its impossible/hard to tell but its possible, if thats what you wanted to hear. you either need to show us more pics or look underneath the eng. (your build date is right between the 6-7bolt swap)

19Eclipse90 · Jan 18, 2011

Again, the VIN you provided indicates that the engine is a 7-bolt through Mitsubishi ASA. So unless a swap has been done -- and you say it hasn't been -- then I would be 99.9% certain the engine is a 7-bolt.

Choosing factory options has nothing to do with the engine being a 6-bolt or 7-bolt.

VictorC777 · Jan 18, 2011

19Eclipse90 said:
Again, the VIN you provided indicates that the engine is a 7-bolt through Mitsubishi ASA. So unless a swap has been done -- and you say it hasn't been -- then I would be 99.9% certain the engine is a 7-bolt.

Choosing factory options has nothing to do with the engine being a 6-bolt or 7-bolt.

Well your just a dream killer, but thanks for the info. When i find out if its the .1% chance or not i will let yall know.

bg300 · Jan 18, 2011

hey .. i got almost same vin number like yours ... i got eclipse 93 d22a too but lil a bet diff of the front pop-up headlights ..you can see my gallery

..b.w check my post here .. http://www.dsmtuners.com/forums/newbie-forum/389125-help-build-engine-d22a.html#post152422329

VictorC777 · Jan 20, 2011

So is it really that bad if its a 7 bolt? Is there anything that i should do or watch out for with a 7 bolt??

XiKeiyaZI · Jan 20, 2011

Absolutely not. 7-Bolt fear is completely over-rated and under-evaluated. Just keep your foot off the clutch at needless times and you're perfectly fine.

VictorC777 · Jan 20, 2011

Keep my foot off the clutch?? I dont understand the mechanics behind crank walk. What does riding the clutch have to do with it?

XiKeiyaZI · Jan 20, 2011

There is a lot of speculation behind crankwalk. In fact if you do a simple search you'll find this out first hand. The BASIC mechanics of crankwalk is that the thrust bearing at the end of the crank wears out much faster in a 7 bolt. The reasons behind this are, again, heavily speculated. A common way that alot of us with 7 bolt engines take precaution by not wanting to put wear on the crank assembly so we disconnect our clutch/safety switch and tend not to clutch as much as we possibly can. IE : Don't sit at a red light with your engine running with your foot on the clutch.

VictorC777 · Jan 20, 2011

Do you have info on disconnecting the safety switch? If not ill google it. But also im wondering if its bad shifting without clutching... I know how to without grinding but i tend to not do it much cause i dont know if its bad for the tranny.

XiKeiyaZI · Jan 20, 2011

If you can Rev Match and shift, more power to you, but that's not what I was refering to. By all means, clutch when you shift...just don't hop in your car, start the engine, and hold the clutch in for no reason for 2 hours.

VictorC777 · Jan 20, 2011

Ok but just to clarify, rev matching (shifting with out clutch) is NOT bad for the tranny???

XiKeiyaZI · Jan 20, 2011

To the best of my knowledge? No. You're doing the job of the Synchros. However, I don't practice it and have never even attempted it.

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